Edumacate me on airguns

I have one of the 1000 fps Blackhawks with a 4x scope.

Shoots fine at .177 ranges. Learn the "artillery hold" if you shoot a springer like this.

I shoot RWS 9.3 grain Supermag flat points. They work fine.

Not sure i'd shoot ravens as I kind of like them.


Same here, and they do have an important friend.

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There were a pair of ravens that started to build a nest right on the big front logo sign of the Cabelas store here in Ottawa. When I saw that, I went in and practically begged customer service there to leave them be, but the next time I visited they were gone, shot or driven off I'm sure, and no doubt with an air rifle. Shortly after that, Cabelas was effectively gone (sold) and Bass Pro was moving in their own nasty managers and crap merch. I'm just saying.
 
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Could think out of the box and stick a couple of these plastic decoys around.

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Most effective if you move them around frequently. I've always liked the idea of the owls you see that have the head on a 360 degree swivel. It's movement that will have critters worried, otherwise the things just become something to sit on and crap upon.
 
In that price range Diana 34 and check out D&L airgun website. Get your pellets there as well, quality pellets make a big difference in accuracy. Ask them what they recommend. Sorry to hear about your little buddy.
 
Thanks Pete. Pretty hard to take after 12 years. Thought I heard his tags jingle on his collar this am at 430am......no more sleep after that.

I'm thinking some people are over thinking.
-It's rather wooded, if I stick to 20ish yards thinking .177 will do.
- I've checked most brands recommended....a recent post recommended Diana 34 at D and L airguns. They're like $450.

- Not putting out owl decoys, trapping under rocks. Simple, just kill a couple. Done.


Perhaps if my deal for the Ruger falls through, I'll phone D&L airguns.
 
Thanks Pete. Pretty hard to take after 12 years. Thought I heard his tags jingle on his collar this am at 430am......no more sleep after that.

I'm thinking some people are over thinking.
-It's rather wooded, if I stick to 20ish yards thinking .177 will do.
- I've checked most brands recommended....a recent post recommended Diana 34 at D and L airguns. They're like $450.

- Not putting out owl decoys, trapping under rocks. Simple, just kill a couple. Done.


Perhaps if my deal for the Ruger falls through, I'll phone D&L airguns.

The Ruger Blackhawk and Airhawk are Diana 34 clones. I think some Diana 34 parts like seals and springs will fit in the Rugers.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=58759.0
 
Airguns =/>500fps PAL required: https://alflahertys.com/shooting-supplies-and-firearms/firearms/airguns-500fps-or-more-pal-required/

Ariguns <500 fps no PAL required: https://alflahertys.com/archery-and-airguns/air-guns-no-pal-required/

Pellets and CO2 capsules available everywhere (for now).

I believe that the secondary factor is the foot pounds energy calculation. If I remember right, for it to be considered a firearm it has to exceed 500fps AND exceed something like 4.2fpe.
 
Something like a Crosman Nitro Phantom in ,22 would be simple and effective keeping the yard clean. Not too expensive, enough power, not too hard to find.


There is some amazing airguns out there but the cost to get setup is pretty high if you look into PCP (pre charged Pneumatic)

Yeah, years ago I had a non-PAL Crosman Phantom in .22 pellet that was great for some basic pest control. The barrel was a bit hard to break (had to slap it really hard and hurt my boney dainty little hands) but it was great.

I had a pretty interesting (innovative, though maybe more novelty) break barrel...I believe it was called a Gamo Viper Express and it was a combination of a .22 pellet (using an adapter) and / or a custom Gamo casing birdshot air shotgun. It was a PAL rated rifle, but that had wide pest control appeal - the .22 pellet I chronied at over 650fps if memory serves me right, though because of it being a smoothbore, it was not terribly accurate with pellets. However the shotshells was where it shone, BUT the problem was the shotshells were proprietary to Gamo and they pulled the product within a few years of release, so unless you reload those little itty bitty shotshells, you were out of luck due to lack of availability. It was great for pest control though, especially two winged pests.
 
I believe that the secondary factor is the foot pounds energy calculation. If I remember right, for it to be considered a firearm it has to exceed 500fps AND exceed something like 4.2fpe.

If tyrants in bc are going to call a 《500 ft/sec pellet gun a "firearm" and my choice then is let.ravens kill the ducks/geese/eggs.........

Might just as well use a rifle approaching supersonic (1040/sec). If you have the potential of getting jack booted, might as well ethically kill the bustards. It comes to the point with many things, not just firearms, we're it's effectively impossible to not break a law/regulation/or have the cops or courts----interpret it how they see fit. At that point why bother.
 
If tyrants in bc are going to call a 《500 ft/sec pellet gun a "firearm" and my choice then is let.ravens kill the ducks/geese/eggs.........

Might just as well use a rifle approaching supersonic (1040/sec). If you have the potential of getting jack booted, might as well ethically kill the bustards. It comes to the point with many things, not just firearms, we're it's effectively impossible to not break a law/regulation/or have the cops or courts----interpret it how they see fit. At that point why bother.

You speak much truth. There comes a point for everyone where they have had enough and don't care anymore. We try to do everything possible to comply, to obey the laws (as ambiguous as they are), yet it is never enough - things constantly get redefined out of a hatred of who we are, and then they keep moving the goalposts (like trying to ban the GSG16 as an "assault weapon", already banning other firearms just out of looks alone, banning airsoft, banning replicas) and keep treating us like criminals.

At that point...they will just keep treating us like we are the criminals...then...well, you know the rest...
 
set up a fake owl, or some whirly birds. pick up all the trash im sure the libballs have no interest in cleaning and the crows and ravens might disperse.
 
Gun tech had a good point about actual law compared to reality in BC. I'm thinking the 1000ft Blackhawk. 177. If im going to get jacked up by the tyrants, might just as well ethically eliminate the ravens. They're a enormous pest, blatant, in your face....one step from opening the door and taking bacon from the pan. I expect, one ...maybe two at less than 20yds to take a nap, if the rest learn and leave then I'm done.

Every store I go into in BC, that sells outdoors/firearms/ammo, I check out. Can't ever remember seeing anything but .177 and BB....ever, in decades. First and foremost I need to have the ability to shoot it, so it's. 177. Cheap, rather quiet way to solve a problem doesn't include a minimum $22 shipping fee for pellets from a big city specialty store.

I've actually never shot a Raven, it's limited to private land here, not crown. They serve a needed purpose in the bush. Here also served by eagles and vultures. However, here, on this property they destroy anything potentially food, making a horrible mess. As stated, they've killed livestock, attack dogs and cats, and even dive bomb people. Last week it seems one was struck by a car, so the whole north island murder was here. Their buddy is probably dead, but their here again in a huge way.

I have four 22 rimfires, but there's one next door neighbour that's a AH, and one down a bit across the road. Quiet, minimum, pest control. Even 22cb is too noisy. Don't need the hassle. Locally the only source is a Can tire one ferry away. If not the ruger, what other airgun. Understand, I'm not going to compete or ever collect....I hope.


If you do decide on a .177 then buying the "extra heavy" pellets is a good idea. The very lightweight pellets they push on you to get the very high advertised velocities can go supersonic - giving you the tell tale "crack" which gives the game away a bit. Extra heavy pellets (in the 10 - 16 gr) range will help a lot with this, albeit at the price of a slightly more pronounced trajectory.

I shoot a Crossman Shockwave with a fixed 4 x 32 scope (well within your price range at $266 + tax) and it works nicely. https://crosman.ca/cen/shooting/air...ada-break-barrel-rifle-177-cal-1-200-fps.html - have them in stock.


As an aside .177 was traditionally the favored caliber for shooting birds - with .22 for mammals.
 
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Well I have the Ruger inbound. Like everything else it takes a week or more shipping. One of the geese is brooding three eggs, her gander is very protective. Something like 28-32 days, and with geese it's more miss than hit, notoriously hard to incubate. That pair of geese came from another local, from a mixed clutch of 11 eggs only three hatched. Haven't had any depredation here in three months, the smallest duck is probably five lbs.

There will be ducklings and goslings here this spring.
 
Accurate compared to what ?
Don't get me wrong, BrkBl's are okay, love mine .22, certainly convenient.
But by no way will group as well as my PCP. Period.

No sure I'd be shooting Raven with a .177.

PCP and $300 budget do no go in the same sentence...

If legal to do so
- 22 CB Long are quieter than a high-velocity airgun.
- If you rifle has a bloop-tube, the bird falling off the barn will make more noise than the shot.
 
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