EE - PAL/CFP verification for antique purchase. Is this reasonable?

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Hi all,

I have encountered a new scenario. I am the buyer of a prescribed antique (no question on antique status) flintlock long gun and the seller is insisting I provide my PAL info and a photo of my driver's licence, so that this information can be verified with the RCMP CFP. I don't know if he intends to generate a reference number.

Is this kind of thing common and/or reasonable in your mind? I am always leery of providing all of this information when it is not required (although I already did indicate I have a PAL and provided some details). Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
 
Some people just have to make up their own laws. Going a little to far in my thoughts. I would be requesting a chat over the phone. It’s antique status so no need to verify. If still insists after a phone conversation I’d be walking away. Sometimes deals are just to much of a hassle. Seller trying to make things more difficult than they need to be.
 
The RCMP won't be able to generate a reference number without a serial number... soooo.... being an antique they may tell him nothing is needed....

Do you want the gun? is it worth the hassle? Your DL provides an address, if he's not shipping he doesn't need that.

I'd tell him no, wave the money under his nose and see what happens.
 
He may be concerned about I don't know. Just ask him to provide his picture of PAL and DL first. In general there are some people on the EE I won't deal with - but you can see that usually already from the ad. Is it worth the hassle for you? Going through the RCMP verification online is a joke in my opinion.

The online RCMP verification online is for the license, not for the firearm. You do it once for one person and from there on it is valid for 6 month I think and sell to that specific person as many guns you like.

I also saw that many are asking for ID to prove they are 18. It is not necessary at all, just ship CP with age verification and you have done your part.

Same basically as if you buy alcohol online.
 
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mtallman said:
Hi all,

I have encountered a new scenario. I am the buyer of a prescribed antique (no question on antique status) flintlock long gun and the seller is insisting I provide my PAL info and a photo of my driver's licence, so that this information can be verified with the RCMP CFP. I don't know if he intends to generate a reference number.

Is this kind of thing common and/or reasonable in your mind? I am always leery of providing all of this information when it is not required (although I already did indicate I have a PAL and provided some details). Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt
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I know exactly who you are talking about, and had to supply the same information for a musket.

I really wanted it, so was more or less happy to give him what he wanted, although I too, though it odd for an antique musket.

He has possibly been burnt in the past (scores and ratings don’t mean everything), & just wanted that extra little information. His private conversation on this site and via email was polite and respectful, and as I really wanted the item, I was happy to give him the info he wanted.

As has been said before, it just depends on how much you want it.

Just my humble opinion of course!
 
sean69 said:
The RCMP won't be able to generate a reference number without a serial number...
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PAL verification for a person<>person sale requires zero firearms info to generate a reference number. PAL #, DOB, email address is all you enter online.

For this transaction I'd walk away - verification is not required.
 
I was able to complete the deal with the seller. In the end, I really wanted the item and he was respectful in coming to a reasonable compromise.
 
sean69 said:
The RCMP won't be able to generate a reference number without a serial number... soooo.... being an antique they may tell him nothing is needed....

Do you want the gun? is it worth the hassle? Your DL provides an address, if he's not shipping he doesn't need that.

I'd tell him no, wave the money under his nose and see what happens.
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I have done a mock transfer to another PAL holder; you only have to declare the firearm is non restricted or prohibited. With the exception of buying from a store, there is no record of serial number, make model etc. In answer to the original poster, I think verification of a PAL is primarily checking to be sure the buyer is a responsible person as opposed to being a legal requirement

cheers mooncoon
 
mtallman said:
Is this kind of thing... reasonable...?
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This is just my opinion...

I think that this (seller's) condition should have been made clear (to the buyer) before the buyer's money was accepted. If that (seller's) condition was made clear - in advance - than I say 'fair ball'.
 
mooncoon said:
I have done a mock transfer to another PAL holder; you only have to declare the firearm is non restricted or prohibited. With the exception of buying from a store, there is no record of serial number, make model etc. In answer to the original poster, I think verification of a PAL is primarily checking to be sure the buyer is a responsible person as opposed to being a legal requirement

cheers mooncoon
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really? I have not bought or sold a non-restricted since bill c71 (??) came into force - I thought make/model/serial was part of the process....?
 
Believe it or not a reputed dealer here on this board called me on phone to ask for my PAL after selling me a flintlock rifle...
 
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