Effective range and accuracy of the Baker Rifle

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Hello all, I'm re-reading all of Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe's novels, and was wondering, does anyone here own a Baker Rifle, and are they as accurate as the author portrays?
Shots of over 200 yds are common in the novels, but what is the real world situation ?
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One must remember that these novels are based on fiction. I would think that it would be quite a challenge to even "accidentally" hit a man size target at 200 plus yards using a smooth bore shooting a .62 caliber round ball. But hey, maybe they took lessons from Davey Crockett.

It is a Baker rifle...
 
The ones from military Heritage are smooth bore you would want to get one with rifled barrel or wouldn't be much point or you could rebarrel......
Thats the same canuck I was talking about he has a lot of good videos you can see my chat about the baker talking about smooth bore and rebarrel. His is from the Rifle Shop
 
Rifleman Thomas Plunket, long range shot in Spain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cacabelos

Brigadier General Auguste François-Marie de Colbert-Chabanaiswas killed by a single long-range shot from a Baker rifle, fired by a noted sharpshooter of the 95th Rifles, rifleman Thomas Plunket, and who also, with a second shot, killed the officer who came to Colbert's assistance. Although there is much discrepancy regarding the distances involved, the shot has been claimed to have been as far as 600 metres,[3][4] it's highly likely that Colbert considered himself well beyond the musket range of 80 metres and therefore safe,[1] whereas the Baker had verified target accuracy of 200 metres.
 
This reminded me of a mention of the Baker Rifle in a book I bought in 1969 (!), The Book of the Gun, by Harold L. Peterson. (Still available used as "The Treasury of the Gun.")

This image appears on pg. 149, in reference to a book on rifles by Ezekiel Baker himself.

"Another panel from the book shows a target shot at by Baker"

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And from the inevitable Wikipedia article:

Accuracy and range

The rifle as originally manufactured was expected to be capable of firing at a range of up to 200 yards (183 meters) with a high hit rate. The musket was fairly accurate at medium distances, with a one in three chance of hitting a man-sized target at 100 yards (91 meters), but this accuracy diminished hugely at longer ranges. To increase the odds of a hit, massed ranks of 60–80 muskets were usually fired in a volley, which increased the chances of some musket balls hitting the intended targets. The Baker rifle was used by skirmishers facing their opponents in pairs, sniping at the enemy either from positions in front of the main lines, or from hidden positions in heights overlooking battlefields.

The accuracy of the rifle in capable hands is most famously demonstrated at the Battle of Cacabelos (during Moore's retreat to Corunna in 1809) by the action of Rifleman Thomas Plunkett (or Plunket) of the 1st Battalion, 95th Rifles, who shot French General Colbert at an unknown but long range (as much as 600 yards (550 m) according to some sources). He then shot Colbert's aide-de-camp, Latour-Maubourg, who went to the aid of his general, suggesting that the success of the first shot was not due to luck.

That rifleman Plunkett and others were able to regularly hit targets at ranges considered to be beyond the rifle's effective range speaks for both their marksmanship and the capabilities of the rifle.

:) Stuart
 
One must remember that these novels are fiction. Not based on anything but Cornwell's imagination.
The Rifle Corps practiced regularly at 150 to 200 yards at 2 rounds per minute. Wikipedia not being a good source of reliable info, go here. No W's. england.prm.ox.ac.uk/englishness-baker-rifle.html
 
The books are fiction however the author is known to be a stickler for historical accuracy. I've read them myself and there are no claims of great long range accuracy from the Baker rifle however they were far more accurate than the Brown Bess though much slower to load. The rifle regiments were very effective as skirmishers, pouring accurate fire on the French and killing more than a few officers(a prime target). European armies of the time being little more than an armed mob for with a few exceptions, eliminating the officers had a telling effect on morale. Plunket did kill a French general at considerable range in front of witnesses through a combination of skill and luck. There was a Union general in the American Civil War name of John Sedgewick, I think. He was killed at several hundred yards by a Confederate sharpshooter firing a Sharps rifle. His last words were, "They couldn't hit an elephant at this range."
 
This was recently tested by a fellow Canuck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3d295aw7KU

You can hit a man at 200 yards with a Baker rifle, even 300 yards.

Great video! Who is this guy? It looks like he was shooting out here in the Fraser Valley. I see that there was a quick image of the target that Ez. Baker himself fired, that I took from Peterson's book.

:)
 
The books are fiction however the author is known to be a stickler for historical accuracy. I've read them myself and there are no claims of great long range accuracy from the Baker rifle however they were far more accurate than the Brown Bess though much slower to load. The rifle regiments were very effective as skirmishers, pouring accurate fire on the French and killing more than a few officers(a prime target). European armies of the time being little more than an armed mob for with a few exceptions, eliminating the officers had a telling effect on morale. Plunket did kill a French general at considerable range in front of witnesses through a combination of skill and luck. There was a Union general in the American Civil War name of John Sedgewick, I think. He was killed at several hundred yards by a Confederate sharpshooter firing a Sharps rifle. His last words were, "They couldn't hit an elephant at this range."

General John Sedgwick was not shot by a sharpshooter with a Sharps rifle. He was shot by a sharpshooter with a Whitworth rifle. The range was reported to have been 1200 paces - that is to say, about 800 yards.

tac
Whitworth rifle owner since 1985.
 
I would like to see more and here more about the mil Heritage baker I.E the wood and the rebarrel and construction. To get a really nice one from the rifle shop you are looking at over a Grand in parts Like the guy in the vids but it sure is beautiful. He did give me some good thoughts on them though
 
To put it in perspective, a 30-30 carbine likely has as good or better ballistics than the Baker rifle.

And they didn't have your excellent cast bullets. either, Terry :) The mind boggles to contemplate what Sharpe & company could have achieved with the lowly "thutty-thutty"!
 
I always thought it was ironic that about 230 years after the Spanish Armada fiasco the British army was in Spain fighting WITH the Spanish against the French. My enemy's enemy is my friend, i guess!
 
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