Elcan scope
- Thread starter big bear
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The sight is not adjustable for individual eyes. I had to wear glasses to see the reticle clearly in mine - with other scopes, I just adjust the occular.
There have been credible reports that occasional high wild shots occur. Adjustments are in the mount, and the scope body is kept in place against the elevation portion of the base by spring pressure. If the scope does not return to battery, a wild shot will occur.
There have been credible reports that occasional high wild shots occur. Adjustments are in the mount, and the scope body is kept in place against the elevation portion of the base by spring pressure. If the scope does not return to battery, a wild shot will occur.
For service rifle shooting, I feel the Elcan is an excellent piece of kit.Combat might be another story depending on who you talk to.Problems come from the base but are pretty easily rectified with 10 minutes of machining and inserting a spring to pull the two pieces together.The new A2 doesn't seem to have the problems the original had.It has a windage adjustment which is something some other comparable optics don't have.
mudgunner49
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Total piece of crap. I have shot service rifle competions with them and was around when they came into service. We'd have been further ahead to leave iron sights on the rifles and spend the money we wasted on them on ammo and teaching soldiers how to shoot...
blake
blake
Lots of varying opinions.Most may be based on the A1 and I agree the base was sheit.But,it is easy to fix if you have minimal machining skills and it will allow you to shoot well in Service rifle and even retain zero when you take the sight on and off the weapons system.Would I want an A1 in combat?Not a chance.Will I shoot a fixed A1 base in Sr competition and do well?I do all the time.
As far as the actual optics part goes,the wide field of view is quite clear and although the pick may not be as sharp as some like,it seems to be killing lots of Taliban and winning championships.
You just have to figure out what you want it for.
As far as the actual optics part goes,the wide field of view is quite clear and although the pick may not be as sharp as some like,it seems to be killing lots of Taliban and winning championships.
You just have to figure out what you want it for.
I like the Elcan a lot. It is clear and bright with a good field of view and a nice reticle. I used them in the army and now for civvy shooting. In the army they were useful for observation and helped a little with light gathering at night.
They are not perfect. They are expensive, the knobs attaching the base to the rifle can be over tightened and stripped. They do not offer variable power and have no illuminated reticle. Like most scopes if you are sweating hard and its damp, the glass can fog up.
They are not perfect. They are expensive, the knobs attaching the base to the rifle can be over tightened and stripped. They do not offer variable power and have no illuminated reticle. Like most scopes if you are sweating hard and its damp, the glass can fog up.
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If it's only going to used for fun ,then go for it.I would use BUIS before trusting my life to an Elcan.
Elcan is a pretty well suited optic for the C7 when shooting 100m+ which is probably why the military baught them. I think how guys can use other optics if they choose and since most engagements are not at the distances the elcan was designed for its a little out of place on every soldiers weapon so some are using other optics when permitted.
My biggest beef with the Elcan is that soldiers aren't taught to shoot both eyes open at all because of the magnification, IMHO this is a bit of a issue causing tunnel vision.
IMHO having used one there is much better bang for ones civy shotting dollar. Its also rather heavy I think the ACOG might be a better all round optic.
My biggest beef with the Elcan is that soldiers aren't taught to shoot both eyes open at all because of the magnification, IMHO this is a bit of a issue causing tunnel vision.
IMHO having used one there is much better bang for ones civy shotting dollar. Its also rather heavy I think the ACOG might be a better all round optic.
The Elcan C79 is not bad for what it's designed for, but definitely would not be my first choice for anything.
It's designed to be used & abused by an infantry grunt, and it takes that abuse quite well. It is clear, with a nice wide FOV, and the tritium insert is a great feature for low light shooting. However, in my opinion the C79's list of drawbacks is a lot longer than it's list of advantages. It's heavy, the adjustments only work like they're supposed to SOME of the time. It's "battle sights" are a joke, and it is easy to strip the plastic "knobs" right off of the screws on the base.
The Spectre DR is also not a piece of kit I would ever buy. Never mind it's ridiculous price tag, it's unreliable. It uses a base similar to the C79, but that's not the problem. The problem stems from the 1-4X flip switch. I've used the Gen 1 & 2 models, and with both, we've had a number of sights in each batch that had problems with returning to zero. It's a difficult system to perfect; flipping an ocular tube back & forth 90 degrees & expecting it to be perfectly lined up every time. The majority of the scopes that I've seen held their zero fairly well (for 20-30 flips) but some would put you off the paper after one switch. Because of that, I can't trust the rest of the scopes, because who knows when they'll start to slip?
Another problem with the Spectre DR we noted was a change in POI when switching from 1 to 4X. This was not a problem with a few scopes, it was a problem with ALL of them, but to varying degrees. Some scopes would notice a change as small as 2MOA when flipping from 4X to 1X, others as much as 8MOA, but not one of the Gen 1 scopes was without this problem. The Gen 2s are fairly consistent at a 2MOA shift.
My $.02
Cheers.
Tim
It's designed to be used & abused by an infantry grunt, and it takes that abuse quite well. It is clear, with a nice wide FOV, and the tritium insert is a great feature for low light shooting. However, in my opinion the C79's list of drawbacks is a lot longer than it's list of advantages. It's heavy, the adjustments only work like they're supposed to SOME of the time. It's "battle sights" are a joke, and it is easy to strip the plastic "knobs" right off of the screws on the base.
The Spectre DR is also not a piece of kit I would ever buy. Never mind it's ridiculous price tag, it's unreliable. It uses a base similar to the C79, but that's not the problem. The problem stems from the 1-4X flip switch. I've used the Gen 1 & 2 models, and with both, we've had a number of sights in each batch that had problems with returning to zero. It's a difficult system to perfect; flipping an ocular tube back & forth 90 degrees & expecting it to be perfectly lined up every time. The majority of the scopes that I've seen held their zero fairly well (for 20-30 flips) but some would put you off the paper after one switch. Because of that, I can't trust the rest of the scopes, because who knows when they'll start to slip?
Another problem with the Spectre DR we noted was a change in POI when switching from 1 to 4X. This was not a problem with a few scopes, it was a problem with ALL of them, but to varying degrees. Some scopes would notice a change as small as 2MOA when flipping from 4X to 1X, others as much as 8MOA, but not one of the Gen 1 scopes was without this problem. The Gen 2s are fairly consistent at a 2MOA shift.
My $.02
Cheers.
Tim
hugehodge83
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- Halifax NS
POS... if your shooting on a range from the 100-200m then yeah youll be fine... but they dont stack up against any real rough treatment... that being said the field of view is good... but that dosent make up for much.
Its useable but ive seen too many break and get junked to recommend it to anyone
Its useable but ive seen too many break and get junked to recommend it to anyone
