elcan specterdr 1-4x, post some pics of how you have your mounted

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curious how you have your mounted, i currently have it as far back as it can and am not running buis as it is a game gun, but it does have ne paranoid enough i might run it ahead enough to get a kac 600m buis behind it with the kac folding front.

what say you, the hive mind.... show me some pictures
 
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CF mounts the buis in front of the Elcan. Not optimal for a sight picture but it is a BACK UP sight, intended to be used only of the optic fails.

Compromising the sight picture and/or function of a primary optic for the sake of a BUIS seems wrong to me.

http://www.casr.ca/101-army-smallarm-1.htm

Also, how I have my BUIS mounted in front of my Elcan OS3. I zeroed it for 25 yds before I mounted the optic. Haven't taken the scope off yet to see if the BUIS is still hitting where I intend (should probably go with a 36 yd zero too)



No, in the up position it does not obscure my view from the optic. The focal point is well in front of it so it does not show up at all...but it's normally folded down regardless. And yes, it is mounted backwards (in the same orientation as it came on the rifle LOL) on purpose to give me the longest possible sight radius in this emergency use configuration.

 
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What I have found with 3-4X combat optics is that putting the ocular lens right over the cocking handle is the solution for >90% of people. Lots of people who have only shot off the bench will push the scope rearwards another inch and pay for it when shooting prone.

Lets be honest BUIS are a back up, and most people would be better served spending their BUIS money topping their way up to a better primary optic.
 
Gunnerlove said:
What I have found with 3-4X combat optics is that putting the ocular lens right over the cocking handle is the solution for >90% of people. Lots of people who have only shot off the bench will push the scope rearwards another inch and pay for it when shooting prone.

Lets be honest BUIS are a back up, and most people would be better served spending their BUIS money topping their way up to a better primary optic.
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Agreed, my BUIS never get used and are only on the rifle because I have them and don't feel like selling them or leaving them in my toolbox.
A quality optic will rarely fail and since we are civilians using these in a no pressure situation where no one is shooting back if a battery goes dead or whatever, BUIS really serve no purpose. I like shooting through irons from time to time but I'd never sacrifice putting my optic in it's best position for proper eye relief in order to have BUIS on the rifle.
I've found that my Specter DR has too short of eye relief to mount BUIS behind it so I mount it where it needs to be and don't worry about BUIS. The DR is built like a tank and I can't imagine how it could fail short of running it over with a truck or hitting it with a hammer till it comes off so BUIS really aren't needed with one.

Sorry, can't post pics from my tablet.
 
Gunnerlove said:
What I have found with 3-4X combat optics is that putting the ocular lens right over the cocking handle is the solution for >90% of people. Lots of people who have only shot off the bench will push the scope rearwards another inch and pay for it when shooting prone.

Lets be honest BUIS are a back up, and most people would be better served spending their BUIS money topping their way up to a better primary optic.
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I'm down to back up sights on my DDM4A1 right now due to the eotech situation. Good thing I have them as I. Taking a 1st time shooter out this weekend and I'm a little selfish when it comes to my SR15E3. In this case back up saved the day
 
cr5 said:
Agreed, my BUIS never get used and are only on the rifle because I have them and don't feel like selling them or leaving them in my toolbox.
A quality optic will rarely fail and since we are civilians using these in a no pressure situation where no one is shooting back if a battery goes dead or whatever, BUIS really serve no purpose. I like shooting through irons from time to time but I'd never sacrifice putting my optic in it's best position for proper eye relief in order to have BUIS on the rifle.
I've found that my Specter DR has too short of eye relief to mount BUIS behind it so I mount it where it needs to be and don't worry about BUIS. The DR is built like a tank and I can't imagine how it could fail short of running it over with a truck or hitting it with a hammer till it comes off so BUIS really aren't needed with one.

Sorry, can't post pics from my tablet.
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But but but.....two is one and one is none. If I am going to trust my life to my rifle.....WOROL.....the zombies are coming....
 
Jerry Champagne said:
I'm down to back up sights on my DDM4A1 right now due to the eotech situation. Good thing I have them as I. Taking a 1st time shooter out this weekend and I'm a little selfish when it comes to my SR15E3. In this case back up saved the day
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An Elcan is not an EOTECH. Did your EOTECH actually fail or did you just take it off to return for refund?

I would agree with the idea of BUIS with battery dependant sight....but with quality and durable scope...not a priority at least for me.

As said above, sacrificing scope placement to mount a BUIS seems foolish to me.
 
Bolivar said:
An Elcan is not an EOTECH. Did your EOTECH actually fail or did you just take it off to return for refund?

I would agree with the idea of BUIS with battery dependant sight....but with quality and durable scope...not a priority at least for me.

As said above, sacrificing scope placement to mount a BUIS seems foolish to me.
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I have had a few issues with having to rezero every time i hit the firing line so i sent 1 out of 3 i have back to see what i get.I have a DR 1-4 on my LMT and still run BUIS because it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have as an ex infantry man I live by that as for the People who cry about the weight of the ARs with elcans are just wimpy little ladie boys. Hump a C6 with full battle rattle then get back to me.

As for placement I have mine mounted with the lens just foward or my charging handle . I find that position easiest to get into when snap shooting.

Thank you for clarifying that an elcan is not a eotech...
 
Okay fair, that was not the most helpful wording but the OP was asking specifically about the Elcan.

EoTechs and other RDS are not very sensitive to placement so they can go anywhere. Scopes not so much which was the point of my comment.

As far as having a BUIS and not needing it being better than needing and not having...sure. I've got one on my SA20, mostly because it came with one. But I won't alter my optic position to allow the BUIS to go behind it. Primary optic gets priority for placement.

I also won't purchase a scope based on it's ability to allow a BUIS to be mounted in the rear. Again, the back up is not a priority to me, the primary is.
 
CobraGT said:
Photos of mine mounted, as requested. Works well for me, but ideally it would be one notch farther back.



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Very nice but I'd ditch the BUIS to put the DR back a notch. I find the DR is almost awkward with how short the eye relief is. If it didn't have such amazing glass I would have sold it by now.
 
cr5 said:
Very nice but I'd ditch the BUIS to put the DR back a notch. I find the DR is almost awkward with how short the eye relief is.
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I've had the same thought. May do exactly that, but would probably mount the BUIS ahead of the Elcan, CF style, if I could make it fit, rather than ditching it entirely. I have my OS4 mounted considerably farther back on my HK, and find it works better.

 
You dont need buis with the DR, If something would happen that the DR would break, your rifle would also be broken.

I also mount mine as far back as I can.

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