elcan specterdr 1-4x, post some pics of how you have your mounted

cr5 said:
Not sure how you guys can say a front sight doesn't interfere with the sight picture. With my DR I can see my thumb on the top rail when on 1x, the front sight may not stop you from being able to shoot it but you'll definitely see it in the fov and to me that's interference. I don't like having anything but my target in my fov when shooting and having the front sight plain as day blocking the lower half of the crosshairs obscuring the holdover marks would annoy the heck out of me. This is a non issue when switched to 4x but not at 1x.
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I'll have to take a look when I get home. I've had it for so long I may have just become so accustomed to seeing the front post in the sight picture that I don't notice it anymore.
 
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CobraGT said:
"About all they do well"? Please elaborate.
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I think at their price point they're ridiculous, they're heavy, have short eye relief without the ability to change the mounting system like an ACOG, have external adjustments which can lead to POA/POI impact shift, Thick reticle(not really an issue, I'm just used to my ACOGs thin reticle), I do not like a 1x with eye relief and limited parallax.
I personally find my ACOG's (especially my TA31 ECOS) to do the same job as my Elcan could do, but was cheaper, lighter, and let me keep my BUIS in the proper spot with proper eye relief.
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I have, use and love both optics.

What makes me go back to the Trijicon is it's bright sight picture due to the fibre optic. They are both great, both have +'s and -'s (well not many minus's). Feels like a Chev vs Ford vs Dodge debate. Everyone has their favourites.
 
kennyclone said:
I think at their price point they're ridiculous, they're heavy, have short eye relief without the ability to change the mounting system like an ACOG, have external adjustments which can lead to POA/POI impact shift, Thick reticle(not really an issue, I'm just used to my ACOGs thin reticle), I do not like a 1x with eye relief and limited parallax.
I personally find my ACOG's (especially my TA31 ECOS) to do the same job as my Elcan could do, but was cheaper, lighter, and let me keep my BUIS in the proper spot with proper eye relief.
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Some valid points, I suppose. My favorite optic is actually my TA11, but it doesn't offer the ability to switch magnification that the DR does. I also like that the Elcan comes with a pretty decent QD mount, which you need to buy separately for the ACOG. DR is heavier, and eye relief is worse (though once you have it set up properly, it's fine), but the other things make up for those "issues". IMHO.

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kennyclone said:
I think at their price point they're ridiculous, they're heavy, have short eye relief without the ability to change the mounting system like an ACOG, have external adjustments which can lead to POA/POI impact shift, Thick reticle(not really an issue, I'm just used to my ACOGs thin reticle), I do not like a 1x with eye relief and limited parallax.
I personally find my ACOG's (especially my TA31 ECOS) to do the same job as my Elcan could do, but was cheaper, lighter, and let me keep my BUIS in the proper spot with proper eye relief.
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What POA/POI shift? The only issues I've ever heard of with the Specter DR and shift is when people sight it in incorrectly on 1x then switch to 4x when the manual states you are supposed to zero it on 4x. I can't remember mine needing to be re-zero'd other than when changing ammo or after I've swapped it to a different rifle.
They are heavy but so are my Nightforce optics but I don't complain about that because the trade off is you get a sight you can abuse and never worry about damaging unless you go full retard on it. The DR has the clearest and brightest glass I've looked through for an optic like this, it's definitely better than the ACOG I used to own.
I do agree that the eye relief is short but it's easy to work with once you're used to it and have the sight and your stock in the right spot.
Why would you need BUIS on a rifle that has an optic like this? The thing is built like a tank so if you screw up the optic you've probably got bigger problems. Also the DR has built in BUIS so if you somehow screw up your glass you can still use the crappy irons that are built into it.

Nice looking rifle but why do you have so much crap hanging off of it? You complain about the weight of the optic then throw all that junk on the muzzle that serves little purpose on a civilian rifle.
Great paint job though, looks really good.
 
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Spectre DR does have a bit of a zero shift - the new ones are good to go, but the very old ones could be a bit of a hit and miss.

I had a 07 version that has a 5 MOA shift, the 10 version that I got as a replacement is about +/- 1.5MOA. The 14 version I played with is also within 1MOA.

Those things attached to his rifle are not junk. IR laser and IR illuminator are essential if he has NVG. On the other hand, I am not sure about using muzzle brake with NVG or if night shoot is essential.

Anyways, every ounce counts.
 
kennyclone said:
I personally find my ACOG's (especially my TA31 ECOS) to do the same job as my Elcan could do, but was cheaper, lighter, and let me keep my BUIS in the proper spot with proper eye relief.
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I'm curious about your comment on the eye relief since technically (according to the manufacturer specs) the Elcan has longer eye relief than the ACOG. I have an ACOG and think the eye relief is terribly short and am considering the Elcan because the eye relief is supposed to be greater. Is this not the case in reality?
 
Infanteer90 said:
I'm curious about your comment on the eye relief since technically (according to the manufacturer specs) the Elcan has longer eye relief than the ACOG. I have an ACOG and think the eye relief is terribly short and am considering the Elcan because the eye relief is supposed to be greater. Is this not the case in reality?
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Thanks for asking that question Infanteer90. I've had several ACOG's, and have observed the same stats on the Elcan. FWIW I loved the ACOG's for AR's, but when I tried them on more "challenging" rifles i.e. longer eye relief, not so much. Which is why I'm curious as well :confused:
 
Infanteer90 said:
I'm curious about your comment on the eye relief since technically (according to the manufacturer specs) the Elcan has longer eye relief than the ACOG. I have an ACOG and think the eye relief is terribly short and am considering the Elcan because the eye relief is supposed to be greater. Is this not the case in reality?
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ACOG eye relief varies, depending on the ACOG model. According to Specter DR specs, eye relief is I believe about 2.7" (if I recall correctly), while my TA11's specs say eye relief is 2.4". So according to the specs, eye relief for the DR is slightly greater than the ACOG. That being said, my ACOG's eye relief SEEMS to be much more forgiving - closer or farther, it still gives me a decent sight picture. That's been my experience, anyway.
 
CobraGT said:
ACOG eye relief varies, depending on the ACOG model. According to Specter DR specs, eye relief is I believe about 2.7" (if I recall correctly), while my TA11's specs say eye relief is 2.4". So according to the specs, eye relief for the DR is slightly greater than the ACOG. That being said, my ACOG's eye relief SEEMS to be much more forgiving - closer or farther, it still gives me a decent sight picture. That's been my experience, anyway.
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Thanks, I think I understand your point about the eye relief being more forgiving. Still a tough call for me as my TA31 has an eye relief of a mere 1.5 inches compared to the Elcan Specter DR's 2.75. That's quite a difference.
 
Infanteer90 said:
Thanks, I think I understand your point about the eye relief being more forgiving. Still a tough call for me as my TA31 has an eye relief of a mere 1.5 inches compared to the Elcan Specter DR's 2.75. That's quite a difference.
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Yeah, I can't speak to the TA31, but I really like the TA11 - I can see why some US forces use it :)
 
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CobraGT said:
ACOG eye relief varies, depending on the ACOG model. According to Specter DR specs, eye relief is I believe about 2.7" (if I recall correctly), while my TA11's specs say eye relief is 2.4". So according to the specs, eye relief for the DR is slightly greater than the ACOG. That being said, my ACOG's eye relief SEEMS to be much more forgiving - closer or farther, it still gives me a decent sight picture. That's been my experience, anyway.
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thats my impression as well, i own a dr and a ta11 and a ta31, ta31 is the worst. but yes the ta11 seems to be way more forgiving of head position and is better than the dr for quick snap shots.
 
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