We've used the big Parmak with the solar charger around our meat racks and caping sheds in the barrengrounds. Gotta have solid posts and #9 wire spaced about 8", positive, negative, positive. It works and we've haven't had a grizzly come near it for years. Prior to the fence, they were regular every night. .......more sleep and saves lots of ammo!!!
Electric Bear Fence
- Thread starter Demonical
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- marmora ontario
A "little jolt"!!!!!!!!!!!n try to pee on one and you'll be surprised LOL jitc
A tip for all of you electric fence newbies: 
To check if a fence is "live"...take a blade of green grass, rest it on the wire, with one hand...then stick a finger from your other hand into the ground.
You should feel a slight pulsing sensation. (if the ground is too dry it might not work)
To check if a fence is "live"...take a blade of green grass, rest it on the wire, with one hand...then stick a finger from your other hand into the ground.
You should feel a slight pulsing sensation. (if the ground is too dry it might not work)
Demonical.
You have to tell me the story about what happened last year.... I have never in all my years heard of a guy dragging in an electric fence set up to the bush for bear defense.
Did they make off with your moose or something?
You have to tell me the story about what happened last year.... I have never in all my years heard of a guy dragging in an electric fence set up to the bush for bear defense.
Did they make off with your moose or something?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392438&highlight=2009+moose
waderow, here's the story about last year's hunt. Skip through the posts, they would bore you...
So nothing much happened the next couple of days, 'cept for getting the bull out, cleaning up the cape and rack (Sheldon may get it mounted), and resting up a bit from all the work.
Monday, we decided we had better break camp, so we packed all the non-essential BS and made a trip out to the trucks, in the afternoon. When we got back to camp it was dark; about 8:30. As soon as we got to where we could see the meatpole, I saw trouble (our meatpole is north of our tent a ways, at the intersection of the cutlines, where turn to drive to our camp). One of the quarters was pulled down, just about to the ground. I rode straight up to it, and jumped off the quad. Sure enough, a bear had hit.
It had pulled one hind quarter down nearly to the ground, and had taken a swipe off a front as well. So we knew we had to get the meat out of there. We made the decision to break camp that night.
The meat that had been chewed on, we cut off and we placed it on the cutline, where we could watch it from camp... 40 yds. We parked Sheldon's quad on the cutline, running with the lights on, to watch that. We had the M1200 Defender and rifles out. It was spooky and urgent, working in the dark knowing the bear was still right there and we knew, once he has tasted that moose meat, he wanted more of it. So we knew he was lying up very close.
And damnit, if that son-of-a-##### didn't sneak in and grab some of that meat, as we were packing stuff! Just all of a sudden I looked and could see the pile had gotten smaller!
So that bear had some nerve! It sure had us on edge, as we worked.
And it was a bloody marathon. It was something like 2:30 in the morning, when we finally had everything loaded and were on the trail. It took us 'til 4:30 to get to the trucks (26 kms).
After we loaded everything and were set to drive off, Sheldon discovered he had a flat on his trailer, so we had to change that. We only made a few miles up the logging road, and his f**king spare blew!
So we had to limp our way down the logging road. By 7:00, Sheldon pretty much couldn't pull his trailer anymore, it was getting beat up, even at the snails crawl we were moving at. We were both utterly exhausted! But I took the tire that had the nail in it, into Swan Hills and got it fixed and then we were finally able to make some speed.
We called a buddy in Swan Hills and he helped us clean and wash our meat on his game pole and then we drove to Fort Assiniboine, to drop the meat off at the butcher. Then we completed an unbelieveable 36 hr day by returning to Swan Hills to reload our stuff and finally headed to Whitecourt. We had to stop a couple of times to get some fresh air, to keep awake on that drive home.
Epilogue:
On examining the moose quarters that were hit, there are 4 or 5 long lacerations in the meat and they were spaced evenly, but widely apart. They look like they were done with a knife, they are so cleanly cut. Now I will never know, since we didn't see the bear, but I am damn sure it was likely the same grizzly that had gone by our camp, that had left the fresh tracks we'd seen on our way in, and that we smelled later that day, just south of our camp. I don't believe a black bear could make the same type of cuts in the meat, because how clean the cuts were, plus the spacing.
I figure that grizzly had left the immediate area of our camp, after we set up, but then after we got that moose hung on the game pole, he had smelled it and come back to hit our meat.
And damnit! Were we ever lucky! It was BS luck to return to camp, basically, just on time to save our moose. Any longer and he'd a done a lot more damage, took a lot more. The bear must have just hit that minutes before we returned. And of course, if he hadn't hit it before we got back, then he'd a done it while we were in the tent, and we'd a never heard him, down there at the meatpole... he'd likely have gotten it all...
Btw, now I don't believe it was a grizz'. I think it was a black bear, fwiw.
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waderow, here's the story about last year's hunt. Skip through the posts, they would bore you...
So nothing much happened the next couple of days, 'cept for getting the bull out, cleaning up the cape and rack (Sheldon may get it mounted), and resting up a bit from all the work.
Monday, we decided we had better break camp, so we packed all the non-essential BS and made a trip out to the trucks, in the afternoon. When we got back to camp it was dark; about 8:30. As soon as we got to where we could see the meatpole, I saw trouble (our meatpole is north of our tent a ways, at the intersection of the cutlines, where turn to drive to our camp). One of the quarters was pulled down, just about to the ground. I rode straight up to it, and jumped off the quad. Sure enough, a bear had hit.
It had pulled one hind quarter down nearly to the ground, and had taken a swipe off a front as well. So we knew we had to get the meat out of there. We made the decision to break camp that night.
The meat that had been chewed on, we cut off and we placed it on the cutline, where we could watch it from camp... 40 yds. We parked Sheldon's quad on the cutline, running with the lights on, to watch that. We had the M1200 Defender and rifles out. It was spooky and urgent, working in the dark knowing the bear was still right there and we knew, once he has tasted that moose meat, he wanted more of it. So we knew he was lying up very close.
And damnit, if that son-of-a-##### didn't sneak in and grab some of that meat, as we were packing stuff! Just all of a sudden I looked and could see the pile had gotten smaller!
So that bear had some nerve! It sure had us on edge, as we worked.
And it was a bloody marathon. It was something like 2:30 in the morning, when we finally had everything loaded and were on the trail. It took us 'til 4:30 to get to the trucks (26 kms).
After we loaded everything and were set to drive off, Sheldon discovered he had a flat on his trailer, so we had to change that. We only made a few miles up the logging road, and his f**king spare blew!
So we had to limp our way down the logging road. By 7:00, Sheldon pretty much couldn't pull his trailer anymore, it was getting beat up, even at the snails crawl we were moving at. We were both utterly exhausted! But I took the tire that had the nail in it, into Swan Hills and got it fixed and then we were finally able to make some speed.
We called a buddy in Swan Hills and he helped us clean and wash our meat on his game pole and then we drove to Fort Assiniboine, to drop the meat off at the butcher. Then we completed an unbelieveable 36 hr day by returning to Swan Hills to reload our stuff and finally headed to Whitecourt. We had to stop a couple of times to get some fresh air, to keep awake on that drive home.
Epilogue:
On examining the moose quarters that were hit, there are 4 or 5 long lacerations in the meat and they were spaced evenly, but widely apart. They look like they were done with a knife, they are so cleanly cut. Now I will never know, since we didn't see the bear, but I am damn sure it was likely the same grizzly that had gone by our camp, that had left the fresh tracks we'd seen on our way in, and that we smelled later that day, just south of our camp. I don't believe a black bear could make the same type of cuts in the meat, because how clean the cuts were, plus the spacing.
I figure that grizzly had left the immediate area of our camp, after we set up, but then after we got that moose hung on the game pole, he had smelled it and come back to hit our meat.
And damnit! Were we ever lucky! It was BS luck to return to camp, basically, just on time to save our moose. Any longer and he'd a done a lot more damage, took a lot more. The bear must have just hit that minutes before we returned. And of course, if he hadn't hit it before we got back, then he'd a done it while we were in the tent, and we'd a never heard him, down there at the meatpole... he'd likely have gotten it all...
Btw, now I don't believe it was a grizz'. I think it was a black bear, fwiw.
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A tip for all of you electric fence newbies:
To check if a fence is "live"...take a blade of green grass, rest it on the wire, with one hand...then stick a finger from your other hand into the ground.
You should feel a slight pulsing sensation. (if the ground is too dry it might not work)
Just don't use really wet grass...
Canadian_Zuk
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Pickering, Ontario
Are you sure. I'm pretty sure Mythbusters confirmed this one too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAOwP2MFP8&NR=1
-CZ
Update:
Well I finally bought the components for an electric fence. I went down to Mayerthorpe UFA. They've got eveything of course.
I bought a 12V 'Fencer' (battery powered) that has an output rating that includes bears (they all have different ratings), 12 poles that have notches already in them to hang the wire on. I actually bought wire tape; it's wider, supposedly more effective. I got 2 gate hooks.
I'm heading out on the 21st and will be in the bush solo for about a week, before my buddy shows up. So I'm gonna set the fence up, and see how it works.
All the stuff I selected is designed for portable use, and is simple to set up.
I'll take pics of this, once I've got everything set up...
Well I finally bought the components for an electric fence. I went down to Mayerthorpe UFA. They've got eveything of course.
I bought a 12V 'Fencer' (battery powered) that has an output rating that includes bears (they all have different ratings), 12 poles that have notches already in them to hang the wire on. I actually bought wire tape; it's wider, supposedly more effective. I got 2 gate hooks.
I'm heading out on the 21st and will be in the bush solo for about a week, before my buddy shows up. So I'm gonna set the fence up, and see how it works.
All the stuff I selected is designed for portable use, and is simple to set up.
I'll take pics of this, once I've got everything set up...
You'll need a good ground and another possibility is to run alternating hot and ground wires. Bear has to complete the circuit for it to work. Tape is easier to handle than wire and has a visibility factor as well. Was out at Kicking Horse resort a couple of weeks ago and that's how they keep their Grizz from wandering.
Grizz
Grizz
Just as a point of (humorous) reference, I bought and resold an old style fence charger a few years back.
It was a 6 volt model, with a mechanical balance wheel to time the pulses, each time it zapped the line, it gave a click as the balance wheel kicked.
Anyway, didn't have a six volt battery handy when the fellow that wanted to buy it came by. But I had the twelve volt one off the Horse trailer! We had it hooked up and running, on the kitchen table. I showed the spark that was jumping across about a 1/2 inch gap, using a screwdriver to vary the distance.
But the guy says "but does it have any real authority?", as he reached for it....
BAZAAAAP! He hit the wall pretty hard, when he recoiled off the strike. The laughter, well, let's just say his feelings were pretty hurt, there were three of us (his wife, myself and mine) laughing so hard WE were in pain. Seriously. Could hardly breathe!
Anyway, he thought it had authority enough.
Fencers vary a lot in their output. The old style ones (before the lawyers got involved) have a pretty good jolt to them, esp when you run them over their correct voltage.
A dab of peanut butter or bacon fat on the wire to get their attention, is said to work pretty well, too.
It really becomes a cost-benefit calculation, at the end of the day. How much stuff can you carry with you, vs. how much effort is the bear going to put into getting at your stuff.
Chain link cage for your camp, anyone?
Cheers
Trev
It was a 6 volt model, with a mechanical balance wheel to time the pulses, each time it zapped the line, it gave a click as the balance wheel kicked.
Anyway, didn't have a six volt battery handy when the fellow that wanted to buy it came by. But I had the twelve volt one off the Horse trailer! We had it hooked up and running, on the kitchen table. I showed the spark that was jumping across about a 1/2 inch gap, using a screwdriver to vary the distance.
But the guy says "but does it have any real authority?", as he reached for it....
BAZAAAAP! He hit the wall pretty hard, when he recoiled off the strike. The laughter, well, let's just say his feelings were pretty hurt, there were three of us (his wife, myself and mine) laughing so hard WE were in pain. Seriously. Could hardly breathe!
Anyway, he thought it had authority enough.
Fencers vary a lot in their output. The old style ones (before the lawyers got involved) have a pretty good jolt to them, esp when you run them over their correct voltage.
A dab of peanut butter or bacon fat on the wire to get their attention, is said to work pretty well, too.
It really becomes a cost-benefit calculation, at the end of the day. How much stuff can you carry with you, vs. how much effort is the bear going to put into getting at your stuff.
Chain link cage for your camp, anyone?
Cheers
Trev
Fence
I have had an electric on the front of my house for years,it is about 4 in. off the house. It keeps polar bears off the front of my house.Because gravel is a very poor ground we put chain link fence on the ground and grounded the fence to that. Bears never hit it more than once.
stay safe
pounder
I have had an electric on the front of my house for years,it is about 4 in. off the house. It keeps polar bears off the front of my house.Because gravel is a very poor ground we put chain link fence on the ground and grounded the fence to that. Bears never hit it more than once.
stay safe
pounder
Heres' what a bought and setup; it's PW2000B 'Fencer', rated for bears (12V obviously).
I think I need to space the fence a bit farther from the tent wall. In the future I will, but gonna leave this as is, for now.
I think I need to space the fence a bit farther from the tent wall. In the future I will, but gonna leave this as is, for now.
I have had a bunch of trouble with bears over the years. My camp trailer regularly got torn up. The mill I work for got me a 12v ufa unit. It does the job,had one bear knock it down, must of zapped him good as the next time he walked through my camp he gave my trailer a wide berth. I run a ground wire in the middle of the fence as well as a ground rod.
Shocked myself more than the bears I am sure, flattened me a couple of times. Also keep my quad inside the fence at night.
Shocked myself more than the bears I am sure, flattened me a couple of times. Also keep my quad inside the fence at night.
Heres' what a bought and setup; it's PW2000B 'Fencer', rated for bears (12V obviously).
I think I need to space the fence a bit farther from the tent wall. In the future I will, but gonna leave this as is, for now.
Yeah, looks a little crowded to me.
Also, the yellow fibreglass poles are a better investment than those flimsy plastic ones you've got, even if you only use them on the corners. Think you can find a fencer as well, you won't have to make an extra trip for. Grizz
the spank
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They never got through the 220 fencing my buddy had at his Bison Farm, that stuff stopped everything except for rutting bull Bison! They would crash right through it when they wanted to......he pulled several dead moose out of that fence over the years and found a few dead fried wolves and Yotes that tried to slip under it.......
I would have just went with regular wire. The tape IMHO is only really for visibility in areas where stupid people reside. If you alternate wires hot/ground they become very effective against anything trying to push their way through it as well. As it is though if you have a good ground rod and a proper fencer(which you do) just the hot should be good. Really, like anything, if they are determined enough to get through they will.
I put up a 20 mile fencer around my yard to keep dogs out and it works well on bears too. They only ever break it when I unplug it....
I put up a 20 mile fencer around my yard to keep dogs out and it works well on bears too. They only ever break it when I unplug it....
