That's funny. Just the other night I dug out a Remington catalage from 03 and saw the Etronix in there. I had forgotton all about it and was wondering if owners could still find ammo or primers.
Electric primers? Just brainstorming the possibilities...
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That's funny. Just the other night I dug out a Remington catalage from 03 and saw the Etronix in there. I had forgotton all about it and was wondering if owners could still find ammo or primers.
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I'm still waiting for my phased plasma rifle.
Thanks for all the input guys.. I guess I am the perfect Remington material then. Maybe I should apply for a job in R&D there? At least I've already HAD the same failed ideas, therefore won't be repeating the same mistakes they already did, haha
Ok, time for my plan B: How about a rifle that propels iron bullets at great velocities using nothing but electricity? Sort of like the new high-speed German train that can travel at great speeds, yet it's only being propelled by a series of tiny electro-magnets that fire in sequence? The trains in question actually hover above the track and therefore there's absolutely no surface contact, but achieve speeds of 500+ km/h. I guess that production costs would also be very high on this type of a firearm (or should it be rather called "electroarm"?)...
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid
I bet y'all that Remy hasn't thought of that system yet! (it's been a long week, lol!)
Ok, time for my plan B: How about a rifle that propels iron bullets at great velocities using nothing but electricity? Sort of like the new high-speed German train that can travel at great speeds, yet it's only being propelled by a series of tiny electro-magnets that fire in sequence? The trains in question actually hover above the track and therefore there's absolutely no surface contact, but achieve speeds of 500+ km/h. I guess that production costs would also be very high on this type of a firearm (or should it be rather called "electroarm"?)...
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid
I bet y'all that Remy hasn't thought of that system yet! (it's been a long week, lol!)
Ok, time for my plan B: How about a rifle that propels small iron bullets at great velocities using nothing but electricity? Sort of like the new high-speed German trains that can travel at great speeds, yet they're only being propelled by a series of tiny electro-magnets that fire in sequence? The trains in question actually hover above the track and therefore there's absolutely no surface contact, but achieve speeds of 500+ km/h. I guess that production costs would also be very high on this type of a firearm (or should it be called electroarm?)...
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid
I bet y'all that Remy hasn't thought of that system yet! (it's been a long week, lol!)
Pretty sure thats already been tried too
lucky07
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Ok, that's it... I'm officially retiring from my short-lived career as a futuristic weapons inventor. It seems like everything's been tried already and I'm all out of great ideas... Damn!
(Why can't weapon inventors be more clueless, sort of like the members of a Liberal political party?)
If you made the trigger system into some sort of mechanical peizoelectric, it might be able to solve the battery problem, but it's doing the same job as a pure mechanical system (with virtually the same lock time), so it's not really a practical thing to develop.
The other option is to use the cycling of the action to drive a generator and store that energy temporarily (or use it to help recharge a battery), but that requires some high efficiency. And I wonder how willing some people would be to charge their guns like Super Soakers.
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Electrically-fired primers are used in high rate-of-fire antiaircraft machine guns (gatling guns) because they fire faster than a mechanically struck primer, and with a more uniform delay time (you don't want to have a "hang-fire" in an electrically or hydraulically operated machine gun).
Using solely an electric spark to ignite powder would not work well, because conventional powders need quite a bit of energy to ignite (this is mostly a feature). So you'd need a *really* energetic spark in order to duplicate the energy of a conventional primer; almost certainly beyond practically achievable limits.
Suffers from the same basic problem of gasoline vs. electric cars - a kilogram of a chemical fuel (gasoline, nitrocellulose) has *way* more energy than a kilogram of battery (on the order of one hundred times more). So 50 grains of powder (about 3 grams) carries about about the same amount of energy as 300 grams of a high performance battery. So your battery pack would weigh half a pound or so for each shot's worth of stored energy.
(Whoever figures out how to make batteries about ten times more energy-dense than they are today, will get very rich....)
There still is a certain elegance to burning chemicals, eh...?
Using solely an electric spark to ignite powder would not work well, because conventional powders need quite a bit of energy to ignite (this is mostly a feature). So you'd need a *really* energetic spark in order to duplicate the energy of a conventional primer; almost certainly beyond practically achievable limits.
Suffers from the same basic problem of gasoline vs. electric cars - a kilogram of a chemical fuel (gasoline, nitrocellulose) has *way* more energy than a kilogram of battery (on the order of one hundred times more). So 50 grains of powder (about 3 grams) carries about about the same amount of energy as 300 grams of a high performance battery. So your battery pack would weigh half a pound or so for each shot's worth of stored energy.
(Whoever figures out how to make batteries about ten times more energy-dense than they are today, will get very rich....)
There still is a certain elegance to burning chemicals, eh...?
You guys are thinking too small. I want a mind controlled electronic firing mechanism. You pull the trigger when you are ready, then when your brain signals perfect sight alignment the gun instantly fires itself. Missing would be nearly impossible.
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When it comes to electric I'm waiting for Gauss guns and rail guns to hit the market. This sounds like some serious fun.
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One of the limiting factors in rate of fire for Gatlings etc is the inertia of the ammunition. Fire a couple rounds and the whole belt has to instantly move in the feed tray; stop firing and the ammunition (now moving at high speed) has to stop almost instantly.
I am trying to find a way to have the ammunition rotating continuously so you could have super high RoF by just diverting the whirling ammunion into the feed pawl when you pull the trigger.
I am trying to find a way to have the ammunition rotating continuously so you could have super high RoF by just diverting the whirling ammunion into the feed pawl when you pull the trigger.
ill not #### on your idea, in fact i like it. given enough r&d, you will have yourself a title of a gunmaker. just think about how many times the flying maching failed before we ended up with the jumbo jets of today. just take all this as constructive critisism.
the old rem likely failed because the primers were still 1 time use. so there was no real big change. your idea is to eliminate the need for a primer for every load. perhaps talking to an electro-mechanical engeneer, they will have a way to harness enough positive power to ignite a charge...
the old rem likely failed because the primers were still 1 time use. so there was no real big change. your idea is to eliminate the need for a primer for every load. perhaps talking to an electro-mechanical engeneer, they will have a way to harness enough positive power to ignite a charge...
You know that they put a pulley and an electric motor on an antique to prove the idea, don't you?
Pretty sure GE used to have a picture of the test rig floating around in their literature.
High rate on an M61 (CF104, F18, Phalanx CIWS, etc) is somewhere in the 7200 rounds per minute range. It gets tricky to keep from shooting off ones own fairings (useful for aerodynamic purposes such as continuing to fly) if you go much faster.
The whole momentum issue is another PITA, too. Then there was the problem of center of gravity changing when the brass went overboard...but that is a digression...
On the spark ignition thing again though....
One of the reasons we can get away with buying and transporting smokeless powder as easy as we do, is because of the very problem faced by this spark ignition idea. The stuff is bleedin' hard to light off, and it only goes bang rather than a slow whoosh, under fairly stringent conditions, such as being closely contained, and pretty much having a simultaneous ignition source. Ever snapped a primmer in a case, at night? Flame out the muzzle! That flame is traveling through the inside of a cartridge case. Chances are good (hey, I have not been inside to see it happen!
) that the flame reaches most, if not all the powder pretty close to the same time.BP, on the other hand, esp. finer grades.... Maybe not so difficult to light, but has it's own set of issues....
Cheers
Trev
I had a 22-250 from Remington to trial and write a review on. Fabulous gun, and as noted, zero lock time. I had 4 of us shoot it, and we all put the bullet through the same hole at 100yds, it was about .20 diameter for 18 shots. (I still have 2 loaded rounds from the box of 20 they gave me). It was next to impossible to influence the shot with your trigger press. It's too bad it never went anywhere, I still think it's the future of firearms. But using something like the OP describes.
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wiki caseless ammo, they have been playing with it and electric primers since the 60's... ask my father and he will tell you the germans were working with prototypes in the 40's... very neat stuff and one day the tech will surpass the hype and maybe we will get a chance to play with toys such as the Gyrojet, H&K G11, Voere VEC-91, Steyr ACR, Benelli CB M2 etc etc shooting polmer cased ammo fired by electric primers....
a nice snip of info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Small_Arms_Technologies
if i were like some of the nutz here i would be looking into electric triggers not primers.. such as the ones commonly used by paintball markers that allow you to replace a stock disconnector with an electric disconnector thats programable... not with the intent to have a FA but when you only need to move the trigger .165 of an inch even a semi auto gets pretty exciteing...
a nice snip of info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Small_Arms_Technologies
if i were like some of the nutz here i would be looking into electric triggers not primers.. such as the ones commonly used by paintball markers that allow you to replace a stock disconnector with an electric disconnector thats programable... not with the intent to have a FA but when you only need to move the trigger .165 of an inch even a semi auto gets pretty exciteing...
