ELEY Ammo Testing Facilities

The other posts are correct - we offer Eley barrel testing at our facility here in Okotoks.

Our current program is as follows:
Testing will run $299
We run 10 or more lots of Eley Tenex during the test, and one control lot of your current ammo
The first round fires 10 rounds from each lot (and the control lot)
From here, we narrow the groups down to the best three or four, and continue the test
Another 20 rounds is fired for each of the best Eley lots, and the control lot
Eley's proprietary software will analyze all 30 rounds fired (as if they were fired at one time, on one target)
From here, the best lot is chosen by the customer

When purchasing a case (5000rds) of Tenex, we waive the testing fee. A case of Tenex is just over $2000.

This is the only time we sell on a direct basis. The case price is only available for barrel tests.

Of all the tests we have completed, we have only had one rifle that did not prefer Eley to their control ammo. However, this competitor will be back when he re-barrels his rifle, as he wants to run Eley ammo.


25_Straight said:
Looks super cool, however I hope the groups are much smaller when they are all said and done cuz right now out of my Vudoo I’ve fired exactly 60 rounds of SK Standard Plus and I’m well under .400” 10 shot groups at 50m and I haven’t even tested other ammo.
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There are a lot of variables here. It is worth noting - the groups shown in the video are 40 rounds stacked on top of one another. This is a rather challenging task to accomplish without a vise and laser grid target.

Ask us any questions you may have.

KGL
 
yodave said:
would be nice if this was available with eley match as well
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Eley does not test the Match line of ammo. The reason for this is Match is Tenex that did not make the cut to be Tenex. The gain the true accuracy potential of the barrel, Tenex is the ammo to test with. However, if a shooter wants us to test Match, we should have enough lot numbers to do so.

KGL
 
Eley UK reports that at their test range they do 10 shots in the first round, and 30 shots in the second round. Is there any particular reason you only do 20?

I believe the reason Dave asked about testing Match is you still benefit from testing different lots, despite Match being Tenex that was sub-par. But Match is a good deal cheaper. You benefit from lot testing any brand/line, for that matter, even the cheap stuff as you go downward in the lineup. I can understand if you guys and/or Eley only want to do it with Tenex. But I can also understand why a shooter would want to do it with any in the line. While Match, or Club, or even Sport, is not capable of the same accuracy/consistency as Tenex is there is still a benefit to lot testing. You'll still be able to find something that your barrel likes more than the next one, even if it is cheaper stuff that will never shoot as well as Tenex does round after round.

Is that $300 price because one of your employees is taking the time to do the testing? If I'm there and would like to do it myself, after you've set it up in the rig, could I? And would the price remain the same? Thanks.
 
Shooters who are interested in less expensive varieties of ammo may understandably balk at a $300 testing fee. The testing fee would represent a significant portion of the price of a case of Eley Club or Sport.

It is still possible to test different lots of the less costly ammo without the testing facility vise and tunnel. A shooter would have to buy ammo from as many lots as possible, say a box or two of each lot, enough so that a dealer could ship you a brick of the ammo with four or five different lots -- more if possible. Go to the range on a very calm day and test the different lots by shooting ten five-shot-groups of each different lot. Pick the lot that produces the most consistently small groups and buy more of it. The brick's worth of testing ammo will have cost much less than the testing fee at Korth.

All the above requires that the dealer has enough lots to make testing worthwhile. It also requires that range visits can coincide with calm conditions and it might take more than one trip to the range. It also requires that testing results are sufficiently reliable. The last two necessities are probably the easiest parts. It might be necessary to get ammo from more than one dealer, in which case it is necessary to make sure that all the ammo being tested is available in quantity so that more of it -- a case or more -- can be ordered after all the testing.

For someone interested in shooting the best ammo that can be found, perhaps the testing facility "deal" can be a very good one. (For someone who can't make it to the Okotoks testing facility, apparently they can ship their barreled action to Korth and they will do the rest.) If you wanted to do the testing by yourself the old fashioned way at your local range, by the time you find a dealer (or dealers) with several lots of Tenex to test, getting a brick of a number of different lots will cost at least $200, more when taxes and shipping is included.

I don't know if Korth charges for each round fired during testing. It would be a understandable if they did. But that would be a small price to pay to have a good number of different lots of ammo tested in a facility with all the equipment that they have. I wouldn't bother with it for less expensive ammo, but to get reliable results quickly and efficiently for some of the best ammo available, without the time and trouble of testing it yourself, the testing facility sounds like a good deal -- especially when the testing fee is waived with the purchase of the Tenex ammo at the end of the testing. After all that is the goal -- finding the best ammo for your rifle.

There was a thread by one of the first shooters to avail himself of the Korth Eley testing facility last year. See https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1774878-Eley-Mobile-Testing-Range-in-Canada

 
_Shorty said:
Eley UK reports that at their test range they do 10 shots in the first round, and 30 shots in the second round. Is there any particular reason you only do 20?

I believe the reason Dave asked about testing Match is you still benefit from testing different lots, despite Match being Tenex that was sub-par. But Match is a good deal cheaper. You benefit from lot testing any brand/line, for that matter, even the cheap stuff as you go downward in the lineup. I can understand if you guys and/or Eley only want to do it with Tenex. But I can also understand why a shooter would want to do it with any in the line. While Match, or Club, or even Sport, is not capable of the same accuracy/consistency as Tenex is there is still a benefit to lot testing. You'll still be able to find something that your barrel likes more than the next one, even if it is cheaper stuff that will never shoot as well as Tenex does round after round.

Is that $300 price because one of your employees is taking the time to do the testing? If I'm there and would like to do it myself, after you've set it up in the rig, could I? And would the price remain the same? Thanks.
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When Eley trained us on this process, it was decided to operate with a total of 30 rounds (whereas Eley run 40 rounds) simply due to lot number limitations. The Eley factory has a great deal larger supply of this ammo than we do. To ensure we are able to meet the quantity minimum for Eley's testing program, 30 rounds total will provide enough data for the test to be effective.

We can test Match (as we should have enough lot numbers to run the test). Eley does not offer this at any of their test facilities (nor will they test the other lines - Sport, Club, Action, Force, etc.)

Completely agree on testing the other lines. We are looking at options to offer this service in the future, as there are many shooters that would opt for the best Eley lot of ammo possible in their rifle. A few of us here would like to run this test with our CRPS setups. However, we are limited on which rifles we can test (due to the fixtures required for each rifle).

The cost is based on several factors: labour, testing ammo, return freight is included in the cost, range costs, etc. If you are local and are looking to have your firearm tested, you are welcomed to be here to watch the process. To ensure a consistency test, our tech will run the program and shoot.


grauhanen said:
Shooters who are interested in less expensive varieties of ammo may understandably balk at a $300 testing fee. The testing fee would represent a significant portion of the price of a case of Eley Club or Sport.

It is still possible to test different lots of the less costly ammo without the testing facility vise and tunnel. A shooter would have to buy ammo from as many lots as possible, say a box or two of each lot, enough so that a dealer could ship you a brick of the ammo with four or five different lots -- more if possible. Go to the range on a very calm day and test the different lots by shooting ten five-shot-groups of each different lot. Pick the lot that produces the most consistently small groups and buy more of it. The brick's worth of testing ammo will have cost much less than the testing fee at Korth.

All the above requires that the dealer has enough lots to make testing worthwhile. It also requires that range visits can coincide with calm conditions and it might take more than one trip to the range. It also requires that testing results are sufficiently reliable. The last two necessities are probably the easiest parts. It might be necessary to get ammo from more than one dealer, in which case it is necessary to make sure that all the ammo being tested is available in quantity so that more of it -- a case or more -- can be ordered after all the testing.

For someone interested in shooting the best ammo that can be found, perhaps the testing facility "deal" can be a very good one. (For someone who can't make it to the Okotoks testing facility, apparently they can ship their barreled action to Korth and they will do the rest.) If you wanted to do the testing by yourself the old fashioned way at your local range, by the time you find a dealer (or dealers) with several lots of Tenex to test, getting a brick of a number of different lots will cost at least $200, more when taxes and shipping is included.

I don't know if Korth charges for each round fired during testing. It would be a understandable if they did. But that would be a small price to pay to have a good number of different lots of ammo tested in a facility with all the equipment that they have. I wouldn't bother with it for less expensive ammo, but to get reliable results quickly and efficiently for some of the best ammo available, without the time and trouble of testing it yourself, the testing facility sounds like a good deal -- especially when the testing fee is waived with the purchase of the Tenex ammo at the end of the testing. After all that is the goal -- finding the best ammo for your rifle.

There was a thread by one of the first shooters to avail himself of the Korth Eley testing facility last year.
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The fee will scare of some shooters. At this time, we have fixtures to test high end competition rifles (Anschutz, Walther, Feinwerkbau, Pardini, etc). The initial purpose of this testing is for the top level of competition. To date, we have tested firearms for two Olympians, and many Internationally ranked ISSF shooters.

Our goal is to add fixtures to open the options up to commercially available rifles (Ruger, Savage, CZ, VOODOO, etc.), and test the more common ammo - Force, Contact, Sport, Club, etc. The cost to perform this test will not decrease by much, as the bulk of the fixed costs are the same whether we test Tenex or Sport.

Folks can certainly test on their own. A few of our dealers have offered kits where you receive a box of each sku, comprising a brick (1 x Match, 1 x Force, 1 x Sport, etc.). This is a great way to start. However, home testing on a bench, shooting outside will not replace the level of consistency and accuracy of testing provided by the Eley program. For those of us with sporting rifles, home testing is the best we have available to us for now.


Thanks for the great comments - let's keep the discussion going!

KGL
 
One could buy $2000+ worth of Match or Club and have that many more rounds to shoot, was kind of my/our point. $2000+ for one case of ammo is pretty steep, though admittedly there is a market for it or it wouldn’t exist. But at least in my case, I’d love to have this testing done with my Anschutz 1712 silhouette rifle and get a whole whack of something cheaper than Tenex, as that’s all that silhouette requires. But at the same time, I still want something that the rifle likes. We already do that kind of testing, including getting whatever lots we can from Peter at North Sylva, or Hirsch, and testing ourselves at our home ranges. But obviously this open-air testing introduces more variables. I’ve even joked with Dave about how much 100 metres of culvert is because it would be perfect to reduce variability of our testing, haha. And “Maybe we can find someone with 100 m of barn that’ll let us shoot.” Hehe.

Anyway, point is, if Club is 1/4 the price that means I could buy four cases instead of one for the same price as that Tenex and still come out golden for silhouette. And if Sport is 1/5th the price that means five cases for the same money. We just recently bought 12 cases of CCI Standard because it is usually sufficient for silhouette and was dirt cheap at $299/case. That’ll probably last us a year. Has a lot more fliers than even cheap Eley stuff, though. Which is undesirable, and understandable, but it was hard to argue with the price. And we even lot-tested that stuff, because even at that level it helps. And once that begins to dwindle it’ll once again be a debate as to where to buy, and what to buy, and price will still matter. Nobody is looking to buy a brick or two. We shoot so much of the stuff that we have to buy by the case. And also shoot so much that we need multiple cases. It’s possible to go through 4800 rounds a year from matches alone here on Vancouver Island. We also prefer to get a lot of practice in, if we can afford it, which will easily double that figure. Multiply that by a few shooters and you begin to talk about a little quantity. So, yeah, even Club or Sport would be nice to test. Match might be considerable for non-silhouette shooting we also do, but Tenex’s price kind of makes one think twice. It’s not that we wouldn’t want to spend $2000+ on ammo. It’s that we’d like to get more than one case of the stuff, and there’s no way we are going to spend $25,000 on 12 cases of Tenex like we just spent $3600 on 12 cases of CCI. There are other things that extra $21400 could be spent on, hehe. A case of Match to last a guy a couple/three years of benchrest shoots, perhaps. But for silhouette we go through a lot more volume and don’t require quite the same accuracy, though still prefer to find a good lot for the gun in the cheaper stuff. The CCI isn’t quite what we would prefer, as I say, it was just too good of a deal to pass up. And some fliers can be evaded via sorting the stuff.
 
It would be nice to be able to tunnel test all ammo. In fact it would be nice to shoot all targets without any wind no matter what the conditions are like outside. But if ammo such as Eley Club, for example, is great for a given purpose, despite the fact that it will not shoot as well as Tenex because it will have more inconsistencies in group size and numbers of fliers, it seems less important or necessary to test it under the special conditions only available at an ammo testing facility. Testing can be readily done in more traditional ways.

When utmost accuracy is paramount, it is vital to find the best ammo available. It makes sense to compare different lots of the best ammo to determine which lot shoots better or more consistently than the next one. Sometimes the differences can be very slight or hard to discern. It is not necessarily so simple as to select the ammo that produced the smallest group in the testing. That's where the information produced at a testing facility can make the difference. By comparing the software analysis of the testing results it is possible to point to one lot being better than another -- even when both results are very good. That is the purpose of a testing facility. Finding a lot that may be only slightly better than another can be a difference maker for a shooter looking for the best accuracy possible. Those shooters need to use the best ammo to be competitive with the other shooters using the best ammo. That gets expensive, but shooters know that going in.

Testing ammo whose results are known to be more inconsistent than that produced by the best ammo seems less worthwhile at a place like Okotoks. Although that is a matter of degree (the worthwhileness of facility testing), when Eley Club results are acceptable, even with its relative inconsistency, it seems less important to test it from a vise, a testing tunnel, and the Eley software analysis. In other words, it may be a little overkill and that's why the testing fee may seem excessive.

To be sure, many shooters would like to be able to shoot in conditions where the wind never comes into play and to have a vise into which they could clamp a barreled action when testing ammo. It can eliminate the possibility of both wind-induced or shooter-induced error. But they shouldn't need a testing facility to distinguish between ammo that shoots well most of the time and ammo that shoots inconsistently most of the time.

If ammo that shoots well most of the time, despite larger groups than the best ammo can produce and despite having more fliers than the best ammo has, then a testing facility fee of $300 is excessive. If the acceptable results are less than what the best ammo can deliver, then there is less reason to test in a facility and pay the fees that accompany it. In fact, there's little reason to buy the best of the best ammo when other, less expensive ammo will do the job required. Test the less costly ammo and buy as much as needed plus a little more.
 
Point is, my gun will shoot differently with every lot of Club I try. Doesn't matter if Club is less consistent than Eley Tenex. Lot #123 of Club could shoot way better in my gun than lot #456 of Club or lot #789 of Club. That makes testing worthwhile. If I'm going to spend $2500 on Club how is that any less worthwhile than spending $2500 on Tenex? No matter what, the best lot I find for my gun of Club is going to shoot worse than the Tenex. Nobody is disputing that. However, your supposition that because Club shoots worse it isn't worthwhile finding the best lot of Club for my gun doesn't make any sense. Different guns see different results with different lots of any brand/line of ammo. Doesn't matter what the brand/line is. If Sport is good enough for a particular game, it still matters to me to find the best matching lot of Sport. Same for Club, or Match, or Tenex. Lot differences exist, and every gun is a little different, too. So lot testing, no matter the ammo price point, is a worthwhile endeavour.

It currently costs $2099 for a case of Tenex from Peter. $1628 for Match, so I could get a case and three bricks for pretty much the same money, so 1.3x the shooting, regardless of the fact that it will be less consistent than the Tenex. Club is $807.50, so I could get two cases and six bricks for about the same money, so 2.6x the shooting. Sport is $682.50, so I could get three cases and a brick for about the same money, 3.1x the shooting. In all examples I'm going to spend roughly the same $2100, so what difference does it make to the test range? You don't think it's worthwhile to lot test lower grades, that's fine for you. I happen to think it is more than worthwhile. Years of lot testing all different grades of ammo have shown this to be the case. To me, your logic is flawed. Not all lots of Sport will shoot the same in my gun. Not all lots of Tenex will shoot the same in my gun. I've shot Tenex that shot worse than Sport in my gun. Which is the whole point, you just never know how a lot of anything is going to shoot compared to the next lot. There are inherent consistencies to better grades of ammo that can't be denied, but that doesn't mean better grades will always shoot better in all guns. Doesn't work that way.

edit: I'm now reminded of a lot of Lapua stuff I had maybe 8-10 years ago that was consistently dropping shots 6" low at 50 yards in one gun, but shot ragged holes with another gun. No matter how many times I'd shoot groups with that Lapua in the other gun, practically every group would have at least one shot hitting 6+ inches low. Getting someone else to shoot it in that gun yielded the same results, so I wasn't doing something grossly wrong while trying it myself. For whatever reason, it just didn't fit that gun worth a damn. But shot the lights out in the other gun. You just never know.
 
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_Shorty said:
Point is, my gun will shoot differently with every lot of Club I try. Doesn't matter if Club is less consistent than Eley Tenex. Lot #123 of Club could shoot way better in my gun than lot #456 of Club or lot #789 of Club. That makes testing worthwhile. If I'm going to spend $2500 on Club how is that any less worthwhile than spending $2500 on Tenex? No matter what, the best lot I find for my gun of Club is going to shoot worse than the Tenex. Nobody is disputing that. However, your supposition that because Club shoots worse it isn't worthwhile finding the best lot of Club for my gun doesn't make any sense. Different guns see different results with different lots of any brand/line of ammo. Doesn't matter what the brand/line is. If Sport is good enough for a particular game, it still matters to me to find the best matching lot of Sport. Same for Club, or Match, or Tenex. Lot differences exist, and every gun is a little different, too. So lot testing, no matter the ammo price point, is a worthwhile endeavour.

It currently costs $2099 for a case of Tenex from Peter. $1628 for Match, so I could get a case and three bricks for pretty much the same money, so 1.3x the shooting, regardless of the fact that it will be less consistent than the Tenex. Club is $807.50, so I could get two cases and six bricks for about the same money, so 2.6x the shooting. Sport is $682.50, so I could get three cases and a brick for about the same money, 3.1x the shooting. In all examples I'm going to spend roughly the same $2100, so what difference does it make to the test range? You don't think it's worthwhile to lot test lower grades, that's fine for you. I happen to think it is more than worthwhile. Years of lot testing all different grades of ammo have shown this to be the case. To me, your logic is flawed. Not all lots of Sport will shoot the same in my gun. Not all lots of Tenex will shoot the same in my gun. I've shot Tenex that shot worse than Sport in my gun. Which is the whole point, you just never know how a lot of anything is going to shoot compared to the next lot. There are inherent consistencies to better grades of ammo that can't be denied, but that doesn't mean better grades will always shoot better in all guns. Doesn't work that way.
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Not to be argumentative, but I didn't say it wasn't worthwhile to find the best lot of Club for your rifle. I said it was less worthwhile testing ammo like Eley Club in a testing facility like Okotoks, with all the fees that are involved, than testing more expensive ammo like Tenex. More generally, I didn't say it wasn't worthwhile to lot test lower grades of ammo. Instead, I advocated testing less expensive ammo in the more traditional and less expensive way at the range.

Experienced shooters are well aware that different lots of just about any ammo can produce different results with the same rifle. It's worth keeping in mind, however, that a good lot of ammo like Club will not shoot as consistently as a good lot of Tenex. It may produce good results, but it won't produce them as consistently as top-of-the-line ammo. Serious shooters looking for serious accuracy don't go out of their way to look for good lots of less expensive ammo that will meet their expectations for good lots of more expensive ammo. It doesn't work that way.

In short, a good lot of Eley Club will not shoot as well as a good lot of Eley Tenex. When the accuracy requirements are satisfied by the results produced by a good lot of Eley Club, why test it like Tenex if it doesn't have to shoot like Tenex. It makes less sense (not no sense) to pay $300 to test it in a testing facility that is equipped with software that does a more sophisticated analysis than simply measuring group size. Those facilities can distinguish between two or more good shooting lots of expensive ammo like Tenex, where one of them can produce only slightly better results than another. For some shooters that "slightly better" may mean the difference between winning and losing or coming in one place better than the next shooter. Shooters such as these might shoot Club for practice and Tenex for competition.

Nevertheless, if it makes sense to test Eley Club in a facility like Okotoks, then perhaps the good people there will move to provide a wide variety of lots of Eley Club as well as other varieties of Eley to satisfy shooters who are not looking for the best lot of the best ammo for their target rifles but instead are looking for the best lot of less expensive ammo for use in situations where utmost accuracy is less important. In the meantwiime, as long as it only provides a considerable number of different lots of Tenex to test, the Okotoks facility will remain something that will appeal more to competitive target shooters willing to pay for the best ammo for their rifles.

It makes a lot of sense to look for the ammo that provides the best accuracy for the money. Most shooters don't have pockets deep enough to test and buy large quantities of premium ammo. They want ammo that is reasonably accurate at an affordable price. That ammo is never ammo like Tenex or Midas + or R50. Most shooters would like the accuracy that the best lots of those ammos can produce, but they are willing to accept the results produced by more affordable ammo. Many of those shooters would probably also like to have access to a testing facility where even less expensive ammo can be tested with a reliability that is hard to match on the range. But as the great philosopher Jagger observed, you can't always get what you want.
 
I've got software that tells me everything Eley's/Meyton's software would via scanning the targets. It would be nicer to have results from one of those Meyton targets, though, as the software that uses a scanner, while fairly accurate, is not as accurate as the Meyton targets since it is trying to place shots according to the marks on the paper. And it would also be nicer to have a tunnel. :D Yes, even when lot testing Sport or Club. What I think you need to understand is your needs aren't everyone's needs. Just because it doesn't make any sense, or as much sense, to you to test other stuff there doesn't mean everyone is going to share your thoughts on the subject. Clearly I don't.

I've even priced out 50 m / 100 m of culvert pipe to do this kind of thing. Why, if I'm mainly interested in Club or Sport? Because it would still make testing better. Would it be worth spending a few thousand dollars on 50 m of culvert pipe? I'm fairly sure your answer is no. But that would be cheaper than paying Korth every year for ten years, and then we'd have 50 m of culvert everyone could use all the time. (Even then it would be nicer to have the Meyton target and the huge vice assembly.) Testing in the wind isn't good enough simply because the ammo is worse. I still want what works best in whatever price range I happen to feel like spending in at that particular time. Doesn't matter if that is anywhere in any brand's lineup. Even when the bulk of it will be shot off-hand from the standing position, where I for damn sure don't hold anything near what I would from the bench on a benchrest. I'm definitely the weakest link in my scores in a standing sport. But I'd still like the best ammo I can get in the price range I choose at the time. Sometimes that's Sport, sometimes that's Club, rarely that's Match, and even more rarely that's Tenex, and most recently that was even crap CCI stuff plus some manual labour to sort the junk, haha.

If Korth charges $300 for this testing, but it is waived if you buy x amount of Tenex, that x amount of Tenex has a price tag. Seems to me that it would make sense if Korth offered the same testing with any ammo you'd want to buy, and waived the testing fee if that same dollar amount was spent on that other ammo. I don't know what they limit you to, but Eley UK limits you to half a case at minimum in order to waive the fee. Whether Korth goes with half a case or a full case for their minimum, there's a dollar amount attached to that. If I'm going to spend that dollar amount on Club, from my point of view it makes sense to do the same with similar dollar amounts involved.
 
_Shorty said:
What I think you need to understand is your needs aren't everyone's needs. Just because it doesn't make any sense, or as much sense, to you to test other stuff there doesn't mean everyone is going to share your thoughts on the subject. Clearly I don't.
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It seems I may have touched a nerve, and if I did I regret it. I have no desire to turn this into a fruitless debate. A point worth noting here, however, is that greater care should be taken to avoid misrepresenting what anyone has said. I don't wish to attribute to you anything that you didn't say, nor should you say I said something I didn't. If it wasn't clear, my previous post attempts to clarify some of those misrepresentations.

With regard to what you said above, what I have tried to say has nothing to do with my needs. It goes without saying that different people have different requirements when it comes to accuracy and I have no issue with your accuracy goals. They're yours, not mine. If you believe that facility testing all grades of ammo is equally worthwhile, then that's your perspective and you're entitled to it. If my views differ from yours, that should not be a problem either.

I have sought to offer a view on is why facility testing makes more sense with premium ammo like Tenex than it does with ammo like Eley Club. That's all. If you wish to build your own shooting tunnel for testing purposes that's your business and there's nothing wrong with that. If I had the means to do so I might have done so already.

I wish you good luck with whatever you decide to do, whether it's building your own testing tunnel or seeking to persuade the testing facility to test more grades of Eley ammo.
 
Some great comments and discussion here folks. Nice to see such keen interest in achieving the most from your rimfire rifles!

At this time, we are not yet offering testing on the sport shooting lines. We have been looking at options to offer such a service, but our lack of commercial rifle fixtures make this concept a challenge. As we are able to add new fixtures, this will enable us to look at testing other Eley ammo. Once we have this capability, we'll be sure to share here, so those that are interested may send their rifle in for testing.

To date, the testing we have conducted is solely based upon the highest level of shooters, where the price of the testing and ammo are an accepted cost for their sport. Many of these individuals shoot Tenex for both practice and matches.

Home testing cannot replicate the accuracy of the Eley test program and equipment; especially when fired in a climate controlled range. For those that want the absolute best ammo for their firearm, this is the way to go. The matches these folks shoot require this level of precision.

The idea of culvert in a barn is neat - and would help reduce a great deal of atmospherics. Post photos of this once you build it!

KGL
 
We are able to accomodate most 54 and 64 right hand actions. However, there are some oddities that may prevent the action from fitting the fixture. We have needed to remove the safety mechanism on a few rifles to fit the fixture.

KGL
 
Underthegun said:
How about Winchester 52C’s D’s & E’s? Do you do all your testing in fixtures, or do you test some in the stock?
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Unfortunately, we do not have a fixture for this rifle. All testing is done with the action torqued into an aluminum fixture, which is then torqued into the vice we shoot from. The stock would be damaged if we were to clamp it.

KGL
 
Lots of talk of whether to clean the bawrill when shooting rimfires.
Some say leaf'im dirty.
T'uthers say to brush them after xyz firings.
What do the Korth Bunch do on this?
 
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