ELK Rifle, best calibre

Flat out, the best Elk chambering is almost certainly the .300 Win Mag. When everything is considered- trajectory, bullet weight, premium factory loads, easily sourced ammo in a tight spot, high quality components readily available for the handloader, moderate recoil, long range performance, rifle selection available... Well nothing else is really even in the game. That said, I no longer own one, and if we all followed the common sense approach what a dull world this would be. :)
 
I get a huge kick out of this stuff. 303 British has probably killed more game in Canada from ground squirrel to Grizzly than anything else. Your goal should be exceptional shot placement and to minimize meat, hide etc damage to your animal to make clean up as neat as possible and yield weight as high as possible. If you are a reloader any of the listed cartridges will work. You can load up or down and use the best components you can get and all will be well. Realistically a 600m clean kill with any of these will be just over 1MOA and chances are you won't take that shot. I shoot a fee thousand rounds a year at that range with everything from irons to decent quality long range gear and there isn't a chance in hell I'd take that shot with my own ability. Inside of that range the magnum doesn't hold a benefit to a traditional case in the same bullet diameter. And if you miss your animal is dog food if they will even eat it.

I nearly made this mistake recently. I wanted a 300 mag really bad. Then I went hunting with a fellow who had one. We shot a pair of does, his had it's entire right rear leg blown off and didn't die for nearly 1/2 hour by the time we got on her. Mine had a neat little hole behind one ear and out just below the opposite eye and was dead before it hit the ground. He had a very nice Browning with good optics. I had an original condition Lee-Enfield No4 with original aperture sights. I would go with a 30-06 and buy two boxes of ammo for the price of one for the mags and shoot it until you have utter confidence in it. That will make all the difference.

I'm not trying to belittle anyone with my opinion, that's all it is and everyone has one.

Anecdotal evidence sans statistical evidence isn't worth much by way of making a firm paradigm, especially if it's only one of a kind. But we all have them if we've done much hunting of big game.

In speaking of the .300 WM, here's mine: In the Haliburton Highlands of Ontario I was deer chasing in a familiar spot. Sitting comfortably on an outcropping of rock, on my hunting seat around 8 am, surrounded by freshly fallen snow, I was peering into a low lying area with a stream flowing through at the bottom. Between stream and myself was a tight forest of young evergreen growing amongst and older forest of hardwood denuded of leaves. Around 8:20 am, I hear the slight crunching of leaves beneath 2-inches of fresh snow. I knew a buck was approaching but didn't see it until it broke cover about 30 yards below me. I was ready. As the buck was angling towards me my best shot would be between neck and right shoulder. At the shot, the 9-point buck collapsed as though struck by lightning.

Upon investigation, I searched for bullet entry and found a mere pencil-size hole going in where I had aimed, but no exit. There was no blood anywhere that could be seen externally. On pulling off the hide in my garage, I found a 2 1/2 inch hole through the ribs under the shoulder. The bullet had blown up in the chest. Not an ounce of meat loss.

The rifle and load? A .300 Winchester Magnum firing a 180gr Hor. Interloc at an MV of 3015 fps. Impact speed was about 2950 fps/3478 ft-lbs. The .300 Win Mag is one of my all-time favourites - it must be, I've owned 6 of 'em! :cool:

Bob

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A lot of great reads and advice. I am still unsure of what I will do, although I have plenty of time to think and decide. 338 WM, 7MM REM and 300 WM..... so many decisions, would be nice to be able to buy all 3 lol
 
The elk that my family and I have taken so far number 77, just under 4 per year since 1994.

The majority of our elk were taken with .270/130 grain premium bullets, .308 and regular 180's, .30-06 and 165-180's, .35 Whelen and 250's, and the rest with a wide variety of other stuff.
Elk shot through the lungs with most any good bullet with sufficient weight/speed/construction run for about 40 yards and then die. They don't die any quicker from bigger, faster bullets in the lungs. Hit in the spine they drop like a rock, no matter what the rifle/bullet combination. Hit only on the edge of one lung, or in a non-vital area, and no matter what rifle and cartridge, they at a very high risk of being lost. They are far tougher to recover than moose would be with the same wounding shot.

It is difficult not to dwell on exceptions because they are so spectacular. I have personally seen elk killed instantly with a broadside high lung shot 140 grain Rem core lockt from a 7mm-08, and have seen a 260 grain Nosler Partition / .375 H&H deflect outwards and fail to get to the vitals after it hit the shoulder joint (Humerus/scapula) on a quartering towards angle.

You want a "dedicated" elk rifle. Ardent makes a good point about the .300 Win mag. But it would be nearly impossible to tell a difference in performance between it and your 30-06 in actual field conditions.

I prefer to shoot right through an elk when I can. When things go a little wonky it is reassuring to have them leaking blood out both sides - at least with my tracking skills. Where I have found an advantage of one cartridge over another is when heavy bone is hit or when an acute angle means you need a lot of penetration. Then, ( and despite the exception I noted above with the .375) a heavy bullet at moderate speed really does help penetration and killing power. I have seen this time and again with my favourite .35 Whelen shooting 250 grain grand Slam bullets at 2500 fps. they had sufficient mass and momentum to break the humerus and continue on into the lungs and out the other side, important if you want to recover your hit elk and not just shoot it. Monometal ( copper) bullets also help penetration. Based on my experience, penetration and bone crushing power without deflection trump speed and extra-long range capabilities.

Fast magnums do not perform well with barrels of 22", and are at their best with 26". But those long rifles are a pain to handle in the bush, in a scabbard, or in a blind. Huge high power scopes are often no advantage either. A 3-9x40 is versatile, powerful enough and handy. I seldom use a bigger or more powerful scope than that, and often smaller and lighter is nice. The low power scope setting can be very important for quick close shots in the bush. I've shot a bunch of elk at less than 50 yards, some as close as 15. I was always able to stalk closer than 350 yards. Handling is a forgotten quality in too many rifles. Pick an elk rifle that handles well and that you can shoot quickly from all positions. If you can't do that, cartridge choice doesn't matter much.

If you can handle the recoil, and don't mind the size of the rifle, a .338 is an excellent choice. So is a .375. but they are a bit much for most shooters. So, I suggest that you consider a .35 Whelen, or better yet a 9.3x62, a cartridge that I have not personally hunted with but which seems just a tad better than the Whelen. They are a tiny bit more capable than cartridges shooting lighter, faster bullets. Load with a heavy standard bullet ( 250-285 gr) or a medium weight ( 225-250 ) copper bullet at 2400-2600 fps and go slay any elk that walks. And at any practical range, which is in reality a maximum of about 300 yards for most people.
 
My boss just finished a Suffield elk hunt. He used his trusty 30/06 for a 356 yard shot. Bullet was a 150gr Nosler Partition.
He said the cow elk took the shot and staggered 20 yds and fell over. She was deader than dead in seconds. I could do the same with my. 280 Rem.
It's all about shot placement, knowing your gun/bullet combo and having confidence it what you carry to the field.
That's my $1.50
 
The elk that my family and I have taken so far number 77, just under 4 per year since 1994.

The majority of our elk were taken with .270/130 grain premium bullets, .308 and regular 180's, .30-06 and 165-180's, .35 Whelen and 250's, and the rest with a wide variety of other stuff.
Elk shot through the lungs with most any good bullet with sufficient weight/speed/construction run for about 40 yards and then die. They don't die any quicker from bigger, faster bullets in the lungs. Hit in the spine they drop like a rock, no matter what the rifle/bullet combination. Hit only on the edge of one lung, or in a non-vital area, and no matter what rifle and cartridge, they at a very high risk of being lost. They are far tougher to recover than moose would be with the same wounding shot.

It is difficult not to dwell on exceptions because they are so spectacular. I have personally seen elk killed instantly with a broadside high lung shot 140 grain Rem core lockt from a 7mm-08, and have seen a 260 grain Nosler Partition / .375 H&H deflect outwards and fail to get to the vitals after it hit the shoulder joint (Humerus/scapula) on a quartering towards angle.

You want a "dedicated" elk rifle. Ardent makes a good point about the .300 Win mag. But it would be nearly impossible to tell a difference in performance between it and your 30-06 in actual field conditions.

I prefer to shoot right through an elk when I can. When things go a little wonky it is reassuring to have them leaking blood out both sides - at least with my tracking skills. Where I have found an advantage of one cartridge over another is when heavy bone is hit or when an acute angle means you need a lot of penetration. Then, ( and despite the exception I noted above with the .375) a heavy bullet at moderate speed really does help penetration and killing power. I have seen this time and again with my favourite .35 Whelen shooting 250 grain grand Slam bullets at 2500 fps. they had sufficient mass and momentum to break the humerus and continue on into the lungs and out the other side, important if you want to recover your hit elk and not just shoot it. Monometal ( copper) bullets also help penetration. Based on my experience, penetration and bone crushing power without deflection trump speed and extra-long range capabilities.

Fast magnums do not perform well with barrels of 22", and are at their best with 26". But those long rifles are a pain to handle in the bush, in a scabbard, or in a blind. Huge high power scopes are often no advantage either. A 3-9x40 is versatile, powerful enough and handy. I seldom use a bigger or more powerful scope than that, and often smaller and lighter is nice. The low power scope setting can be very important for quick close shots in the bush. I've shot a bunch of elk at less than 50 yards, some as close as 15. I was always able to stalk closer than 350 yards. Handling is a forgotten quality in too many rifles. Pick an elk rifle that handles well and that you can shoot quickly from all positions. If you can't do that, cartridge choice doesn't matter much.

If you can handle the recoil, and don't mind the size of the rifle, a .338 is an excellent choice. So is a .375. but they are a bit much for most shooters. So, I suggest that you consider a .35 Whelen, or better yet a 9.3x62, a cartridge that I have not personally hunted with but which seems just a tad better than the Whelen. They are a tiny bit more capable than cartridges shooting lighter, faster bullets. Load with a heavy standard bullet ( 250-285 gr) or a medium weight ( 225-250 ) copper bullet at 2400-2600 fps and go slay any elk that walks. And at any practical range, which is in reality a maximum of about 300 yards for most people.


waaaay too much common sense and logic in this post. The bigger,faster,further crowd will never buy it.

Good post and I agree 110%
 
300WSM great for all big game, bit lighter guns than regular magnum.
Other than that no big diff.in calibres itself.
Good bullet selection is very important and with good shot any of the magnums will work well
 
Yes and have I got the rifle for you. Its a 300 Wby Mag with a 30 in fluted stainless barrel, comes complete with a 6 to 24 dual cross hair scope and I have about 50 rounds of 165 nosler balistic tip loads loaded with85 gr. Reloader 25 powder and is a 1000 yd rifle. Its set at 4" high at 100 yds and is zero at 4oo yds and the top dial on the scope goes to 900 yds and then I use the bottom cross hair at 14 power fot zero at 1000 yds.

This rifle is custom made and it has an adjustable trigger and set at 2 lbs. There is no creep, no back lash just trigger and no misses. The loads are NOT hot and travel at 3600 fps. If you want to see the kind of shot you can do with it see 830 elk shot on youtube. They brag on how good that rifle is but mine's better due to barrel length. I also have a bi-pod attached to the front.I just started on this forum so I don't know how to post pic's so if you wish to see it I would need an email to send a picture. sonnycovin@shaw.ca

I should also add that al the bullets have been through a co-axial dial indicator. This I use to check how concentric the bullet will go through the bore. This dial indicator is accurate to 1/10,000 of an inch and the bullets that are zero on the dial are the ones I use for long range like 700 plus yds. The ones that are between one and two 10,000 ths out I would use under 700 yds. This rifle will shoot 5 shots back to back and be all in the same hole at 100yds.
 
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Any of the 300's WM, WSM, NORMA, classic H&H, WBY ALL good with a good 180 or 200gr PARTITION

I bought a SAKO A7 in 300 Winchester Magnum for my go to elk gun. I also have a custom Remington 700 in 300 Weatherby.

I had a Tikka T3 in 338 WM, nice too but I found it easier to find components for 30 cal in my area.

My other 2 elk rifles are a Browning BLR in 358 Win (225gr Partitions) for the tight stuff and a custom Parker Hale in 35 Whelen (250 gr PARTITIONS)

Another thing to consider is if you are on an expensive hunt somewhere, if you lose or forget your ammo at home is CAN YOU FIND MORE AMMO ANYWHERE????
300 Win Mag is EVERYWHERE
 
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308 or 30-06
150 to 180Grn bullets
If your recoil sensitive lean to the 308.
either will do the trick unless your doing stupid long shots.
bullets a plenty to choose from.

Buy a gun that feels nice in your hands and tight to your shoulder.
The more natural it feels and the easier it is to hold up to shoulder the more likely you will make a better shot placement.

Buy lots of ammo and shoot it until your dead confident in bullet placement and go shoot your elk.
 
Yes and have I got the rifle for you. Its a 300 Wby Mag with a 30 in fluted stainless barrel, comes complete with a 6 to 24 dual cross hair scope and I have about 50 rounds of 165 nosler balistic tip loads loaded with85 gr. Reloader 25 powder and is a 1000 yd rifle. Its set at 4" high at 100 yds and is zero at 4oo yds and the top dial on the scope goes to 900 yds and then I use the bottom cross hair at 14 power fot zero at 1000 yds.

This rifle is custom made and it has an adjustable trigger and set at 2 lbs. There is no creep, no back lash just trigger and no misses. The loads are NOT hot and travel at 3600 fps. If you want to see the kind of shot you can do with it see 830 elk shot on youtube. They brag on how good that rifle is but mine's better due to barrel length. I also have a bi-pod attached to the front.I just started on this forum so I don't know how to post pic's so if you wish to see it I would need an email to send a picture. sonnycovin@shaw.ca

I should also add that al the bullets have been through a co-axial dial indicator. This I use to check how concentric the bullet will go through the bore. This dial indicator is accurate to 1/10,000 of an inch and the bullets that are zero on the dial are the ones I use for long range like 700 plus yds. The ones that are between one and two 10,000 ths out I would use under 700 yds. This rifle will shoot 5 shots back to back and be all in the same hole at 100yds.

Good grief!! I'm Impressed!! But if this poster knew what kind of impression he actually made, he might not be so impressed.

Dave.
 
As many have recommend I would for a 7mm rem mag, 300 wm or there wsm counter parts. I personally like the 300wsm as aa all round chamber as it performs almost identical the the 300wm, has a much larger selections of bullets if you are reloading and in newer short action rifles can make the gun a bit lighter.

Just my 2 cents,

if I came across a good deal on a left hand 7mm wsm I probably could not resist tho :)
 
Also a thing to note about bullet choices Partitions are great, love the performance of all the bullets I have recovered and never had one fail and are pretty accurate.

However, they have a soft lead tip, in my 300wsm 3 in the clip 1 in the chamber, after the first 2 are shot the others tips are flattened to the point that look like round nose bullets which has to affect accuracy. Not a huge issue hunting as after 1 shot your animal is typically down and you don't care about the other bullets.

I have since moved to Nosler accubonds with polymer tips and have had great success!
 
If you already have a 30.06, you're good to go for elk and moose. Just use a premium bonded or monolithic bullet for best results.

I understand the world record griz was taken with a 30.06, and I've read that veteran Alaskan guide Phil Shoemaker uses a 30.06 as his backup gun quite often.

Out to 350 yds, the 7mm RM has nothing over a 30.06. And the .338 Win Mag generally kicks like a mule, which can take the edge off of practice at the range in a fairly big hurry.

FWIW.
 
world record grizzly was killed with a .22 in swanhills alberta sir_springer.
by bella twin, oh i guess some claims to bigger have been made.

problem with that bear is the hide went missing i think if i remember the story correct.
 
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Beware the man with one gun LOL . But seriously your 30-06 will do it all But if you need an excuse to buy a shiny new one then most definitely you are underpowered LOL. My favorite gun is a old 300 win . its a old BSA and Ive got 300 ultras .375 H&H all kinds of different rifles but I use the same old gun year after year Because I know it and am very comfortable with it The rest are range and safe Queens for the most part Lol .
 
yea its funny i got all kinds of rifles , when i was younger (not saying im old ) but in my early 20's i went through the biggers better phase and i still have all those rifles. ultras , short mags , like above 375H&H , hot loads for 45-70 gov .. ect ect.

In the end its funny I ended up my favorite Hunting rifle is a nice short Browning Leaver Action with a small mag/clip and in 308 win. Its nice and tight , Shoots great , the recoil is nice and straight back and controlled and holds to the shoulder easy , can practically hold it there with just your trigger hand it just feels right.

So thats what i use mostly now. Sometimes i still switch things up just because i can and nostalgia ect.

If you find a rifle that fits you and feels good and also happens to shoot good in a standard 30cal then you are likely good to go!

Also if you ask me Stay away from Odd duck rifles and calibers , they are usually more gimicky than anything esp for hunting as your main rifle, for example a big heavy barreled rifle in 26-28" with a big heavy stock and a huge mag scope . its novelty and a pain to pack in bush if you ever end up there which you will.

For hunting something fairly light , not to long either , in a all around good caliber is the way to go.
 
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