Elk rifle caliber

Pines said:
you read . lol...I'm asking what does the bigger hole of the 270 or 30-06 have over a 243 hole ? Because he is stating that the 270 / 30-06 hole has the same effect as a 338 . Why do they even make bigger hole's than the 270/30-06 ? I don't understand
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Well, I don't know anyone who has hunted much that thinks a .243 makes as good an elk rifle as a .30-06. As was said, because you can, on occasion, doesn't mean you should (and the shot in that video is a stupid choice on the part of the hunter).

What you need to understand is that a 270/.30-06 is a perfectly adequate elk rifle. Anything bigger, is just not "necessary". Once you have "enough gun" for the game you are hunting, there is very little to be gained by going bigger.
 
If you are loading 180 gn ABs like you said, you already have a perfectly functional 300 mtr rifle for all NA ungulates. I wouldn't even question that, and I'm not much of an elk hunter but have shot dozens of arctic elk (caribou). Let me tell you a little about horses though.........If you place any value on your gunstock, replace it with a cheap Boyds or synthetic. Your horse or your guides horse or one of the other hunters horses are sure to break it for you..........I can almost guarantee it. I could go off on a huge rambling diatribe about the downside of hunting from horse back but I won't. It can be a great experience or your worst nightmare.........don't get me wrong, I love horses (well some horses) and grew up with them, there ain't much can be done with a horse that I haven't done. But if you are not an experienced horseman, they can be your worst nightmare, especially when hunting. Anyway you'll probably have a wonderful trip but heed my advice about your gunstock...........seriously !!!!
 
Boomer said:
Actually the blast of a high velocity small bore like the .243 I find more objectionable than the boom from a .30/06, but the video is a great example of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". There is nothing particularly admirable about shooting a fine game animal with too little gun, too far away. If you intend to stretch your elk shooting out near a half mile, there's better ways to go about it, and more powder, more recoil, and more noise are all required to get a 200 gr bullet out there, with the impact velocity necessary to do the job. If you're going to participate in the long range game shooting game, a 7mm magnum loaded with 180 gr Bergers from a fast twist barrel is where the ballistic capability necessary for long range game shooting begins.
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The video is also a great example of if that can be done at 688 yards with a .243 and you don't think you can do it at 300 yards with a .30-06, just buying a new rifle is not the answer.
 
Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
CZ 550 FS in 9.3x62, 8x57, or 7x57. 9.3x62 is best kept 200 meters and in.

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Although the .270 and 30/06 is more than enough.
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Nice rifle, but have fun carrying it for a few days.
 
c-fbmi said:
If you are loading 180 gn ABs like you said, you already have a perfectly functional 300 mtr rifle for all NA ungulates. I wouldn't even question that, and I'm not much of an elk hunter but have shot dozens of arctic elk (caribou). Let me tell you a little about horses though.........If you place any value on your gunstock, replace it with a cheap Boyds or synthetic. Your horse or your guides horse or one of the other hunters horses are sure to break it for you..........I can almost guarantee it. I could go off on a huge rambling diatribe about the downside of hunting from horse back but I won't. It can be a great experience or your worst nightmare.........don't get me wrong, I love horses (well some horses) and grew up with them, there ain't much can be done with a horse that I haven't done. But if you are not an experienced horseman, they can be your worst nightmare, especially when hunting. Anyway you'll probably have a wonderful trip but heed my advice about your gunstock...........seriously !!!!
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If your horse is stupid and you are similar then I agree. Otherwise, I have ridden hundreds and hundreds of miles on horseback packing a rifle. I have yet to break anything doing it.
 
People need to use their heads. If your rifle strapped to a horse looks like a bad idea, take it off. I would never leave a horse unattended with a rifle in the scabbard. Some common sense will go an awful long ways at times.
 
chuck nelson said:
If your horse is stupid and you are similar then I agree. Otherwise, I have ridden hundreds and hundreds of miles on horseback packing a rifle. I have yet to break anything doing it.
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It doesn't sound to me like he would be using his own horse, so no telling how smart the horse is and he never commented on his experience with horses, so no telling how horse smart he is either.
I have however seen several broken stocks from horseback hunts, more than by any other means of hunting, so I still think it is better to be prepared. I too have ridden hundreds and hundreds of miles with a rifle on a horse and have never broken a scope or stock, but it was always MY horse, with whom I had a great understanding. There is no telling what other horses can and will do, and I have seen it..........talk to a few outfitters who use horses for a living with rifles on them........broken rifles every year, sometimes the horses fault, sometimes the hunters, regardless still broken.........
 
c-fbmi said:
It doesn't sound to me like he would be using his own horse, so no telling how smart the horse is and he never commented on his experience with horses, so no telling how horse smart he is either.
I have however seen several broken stocks from horseback hunts, more than by any other means of hunting, so I still think it is better to be prepared. I too have ridden hundreds and hundreds of miles with a rifle on a horse and have never broken a scope or stock, but it was always MY horse, with whom I had a great understanding. There is no telling what other horses can and will do, and I have seen it..........talk to a few outfitters who use horses for a living with rifles on them........broken rifles every year, sometimes the horses fault, sometimes the hunters, regardless still broken.........
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I had a Hoyt bow destroyed by a horse... but the horse bit the bullet too, so I couldn't get up the emotion to be mad at it.
 
c-fbmi said:
It doesn't sound to me like he would be using his own horse, so no telling how smart the horse is and he never commented on his experience with horses, so no telling how horse smart he is either.
I have however seen several broken stocks from horseback hunts, more than by any other means of hunting, so I still think it is better to be prepared. I too have ridden hundreds and hundreds of miles with a rifle on a horse and have never broken a scope or stock, but it was always MY horse, with whom I had a great understanding. There is no telling what other horses can and will do, and I have seen it..........talk to a few outfitters who use horses for a living with rifles on them........broken rifles every year, sometimes the horses fault, sometimes the hunters, regardless still broken.........
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But I could have sworn you said this:

"Let me tell you a little about horses though.........If you place any value on your gunstock, replace it with a cheap Boyds or synthetic. Your horse or your guides horse or one of the other hunters horses are sure to break it for you..........I can almost guarantee it. I could go off on a huge rambling diatribe about the downside of hunting from horse back but I won't. It can be a great experience or your worst nightmare.........don't get me wrong, I love horses (well some horses) and grew up with them, there ain't much can be done with a horse that I haven't done. But if you are not an experienced horseman, they can be your worst nightmare, especially when hunting. Anyway you'll probably have a wonderful trip but heed my advice about your gunstock...........seriously !!!!"

Lets just say that I will put my money on many many more gun stocks surviving than not on a horseback hunt.
 
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