I'm more than willing to repay for my ancestors misdoings to anyone who is directly affected by it, unfortunately there are very few people who have actually been directly effected by my ancestors actions... We really need to just sit down and find out what's he number to end this garbage.. I'd personally like to know if our natives pay anything to other tribes that they fought with and overtook at their time...
Elk slaughter in Manitoba
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Found this updated info on the website of the local radio station from that area:
Elk Video Investigation Launched
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9398_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-02 16:18:02
Manitoba Conservation is now investigating the photos and video of about a dozen elk slaughtered in the Duck Mountain area. A spokesperson for the province tells CJ104 that such a large kill like that displayed in the video would be unusual, and that if the elk depicted were harvested in violation of hunting regulations penalties of up to ten thousand dollars for each person involved could be laid. The spokesperson says that while First Nation harvesters are not subject to seasons or limits, they are not allowed to waste or sell the animals they hunt. They are also required to hunt in a responsible manner. The investigation will determine if the hunters were First Nation rights based hunters, and whether their actions were legal, despite hunting and harvesting rights.
Hunter Speaks Out
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9461_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-04 15:50:02
A hunter involved in the mass slaughter of elk is speaking out in his own defense. Ron Flett told a Winnipeg television news program that there were actually 12 hunters in the group, and they had each killed one animal. Flett says that they were very good hutners and in the right place at the right time. He says that the elk will not be wasted or sold, but used to feed the hunters families over the winter. This is the first statement from anyone involved in the incident since Flett''s son posted the photo of elk carcasses on his facebook page, saying it was part of an Idle No More action.
Vince Crichton Interview
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9474_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-04 18:09:09
With a controversial photo and video of a large elk hunt in the Valley making headlines across the province, Bill spoke with Former Manitoba Conservation Game and Wildlife Manager Dr. Vince Crichton to talk about conserving populations here and throughout Manitoba.
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Elk Video Investigation Launched
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9398_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-02 16:18:02
Manitoba Conservation is now investigating the photos and video of about a dozen elk slaughtered in the Duck Mountain area. A spokesperson for the province tells CJ104 that such a large kill like that displayed in the video would be unusual, and that if the elk depicted were harvested in violation of hunting regulations penalties of up to ten thousand dollars for each person involved could be laid. The spokesperson says that while First Nation harvesters are not subject to seasons or limits, they are not allowed to waste or sell the animals they hunt. They are also required to hunt in a responsible manner. The investigation will determine if the hunters were First Nation rights based hunters, and whether their actions were legal, despite hunting and harvesting rights.
Hunter Speaks Out
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9461_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-04 15:50:02
A hunter involved in the mass slaughter of elk is speaking out in his own defense. Ron Flett told a Winnipeg television news program that there were actually 12 hunters in the group, and they had each killed one animal. Flett says that they were very good hutners and in the right place at the right time. He says that the elk will not be wasted or sold, but used to feed the hunters families over the winter. This is the first statement from anyone involved in the incident since Flett''s son posted the photo of elk carcasses on his facebook page, saying it was part of an Idle No More action.
Vince Crichton Interview
http://cj104radio.com/news/cjn9200_9474_DNS1_01.html
Story was last updated at: 2013-01-04 18:09:09
With a controversial photo and video of a large elk hunt in the Valley making headlines across the province, Bill spoke with Former Manitoba Conservation Game and Wildlife Manager Dr. Vince Crichton to talk about conserving populations here and throughout Manitoba.
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Not really. Pretty much all reserves in Manitoba fall under different treaties than the ones in Ontario, except perhaps NW Ontario. Alberta and Saskatchewan signed similar treaties to MB. BC and the Atlantic provinces are different again.
well, I'm a citizen of the Metis nation..... am an avid sportsman...... and i don't like seeing 12 cow elk shot in the breeding season either....... if yer starving with no money and miles from a food bank....... that's a different story and yer race should matter not.
I carry my heritage proudly..... but i'm okay with hunting under the BC hunting regs just like the rest of my fellow hunters.
I am curious to know the size and general health of the herds these animals were harvested from and if the manitoba wildlife authorities approved of the kills under the guise of game management. Elk are prolific in some areas, heck i've got a bc LEH tag for antlerless elk to use before end of feb.
our group has 3 tags , so A) i won't be filming 3 dead antlerless elk and B) I won't be admitting i'm metis on film...... as i'm sure all hell will break loose in facebook land LOL
I carry my heritage proudly..... but i'm okay with hunting under the BC hunting regs just like the rest of my fellow hunters.
I am curious to know the size and general health of the herds these animals were harvested from and if the manitoba wildlife authorities approved of the kills under the guise of game management. Elk are prolific in some areas, heck i've got a bc LEH tag for antlerless elk to use before end of feb.
our group has 3 tags , so A) i won't be filming 3 dead antlerless elk and B) I won't be admitting i'm metis on film...... as i'm sure all hell will break loose in facebook land LOL
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We don't have an overpopulation of elk anywhere in Manitoba, quite the contrary actually. Tags are on a draw only basis and available to residents only with most being 2 hunters/ 1 elk.
That's the law for those who aren't native. For those who are, there's no season, no bag limit, no vehicle restrictions, able to hunt at night with lights and all this on unoccupied Crown Land or other land with permission. Metis were just awarded the same rights this past fall, except the night hunting.
And those cow elk weren't shot in the breeding season, that's in September. Chances are however that they were all carrying young.
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They're not Metis.
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/only-one-kill-each-hunters-say-185737462.html
THEY got lucky.
They could have shot more, but they only killed what they needed.
That's what aboriginal hunter Ron Flett said Friday about the shooting of 12 elk on private land in the Duck Mountain area shortly after Christmas.
Flett said he was one of 12 hunters at the scene who took an animal each.
"The way I see it, there was 12 treaty hunters feeding their families," said Flett, who lives in Birch River, about 35 kilometres north of Swan River.
"We were lucky enough to tag out. It's not that normal to get that many animals. A lot of time we'll go and we'll be lucky enough to get one. A lot of times we don't even get one.
"That morning, when we looked out we ran into about 100 of them. We just took what we needed. There was 12 of us, so we took 12. We didn't shoot 20 or 30, which we could have, but we didn't. We just took what we went there to get. When we get more than one shooter, it doesn't take long to knock them down."
A cellphone video and photographs of the elk kill, recorded and posted by his son, Riley, on his Facebook page, set off a firestorm on the Internet as critics alleged the dead animals were a symbol of irresponsible hunting.
Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship officials launched an investigation into the authenticity of Riley Flett's video and whether any illegal activity occurred, including to see if bait was used. Baiting elk is prohibited for all hunters in Manitoba's chronic wasting disease and tuberculosis protection zones.
Critics also used the incident to call on the province to do more to protect the province's elk herds, which are being hunted more frequently because of bans on moose hunting in some parts of the province.
The bans were imposed to allow moose numbers to increase. Besides hunting, moose numbers are down because of winter ticks and predation.
"Now that moose are closed, we've got to take a few more elk than we normally would," Flett said.
Flett said the hunt took place on private land where there were old alfalfa bales.
"Any farmer has bales laying out on their fields. If the animals come to them, well, I guess that's their option, but they're not put out there just to get them in there."
Flett also said he and the other hunters were careful to shoot what animals they needed.
"There are some bulls there, some calves and some yearlings and a couple of cows. People made it out that we went out and shot a bunch of pregnant cows. That's not correct. Those were dry cows. We didn't find any calves when we gutted them out."
He also said he and others walked through the area afterwards to make sure no elk were wounded and ran into the trees.
"We were satisfied that there none that were wounded, none that we could find anyway."
Flett said he and landowner Les Nelson met with media in Swan River and with Natural Resources officers to set the record straight about the hunt.
"Hopefully we can put this whole thing to rest," he said. "It's been blown all out of proportion. It's all over the Internet and people are commenting and some pretty rude comments are being thrown back and forth and there are accusations that don't need to be there."
Flett said if he were white, he and his family would not be criticized.
"If this was one of those wilderness TV shows, where they record their hunts and stuff and they're selling videos on it, nobody says nothing. But when it's First Nations feeding their families, everyone jumps on it."
He said the 12 animals have been processed and the meat is being distributed to family members.
None of the meat is being sold.
"There was nothing wasted. Natural Resources can confirm that. They did their investigation and took a look. As First Nations we don't waste anything. We make everything count."
THEY got lucky.
They could have shot more, but they only killed what they needed.
That's what aboriginal hunter Ron Flett said Friday about the shooting of 12 elk on private land in the Duck Mountain area shortly after Christmas.
Flett said he was one of 12 hunters at the scene who took an animal each.
"The way I see it, there was 12 treaty hunters feeding their families," said Flett, who lives in Birch River, about 35 kilometres north of Swan River.
"We were lucky enough to tag out. It's not that normal to get that many animals. A lot of time we'll go and we'll be lucky enough to get one. A lot of times we don't even get one.
"That morning, when we looked out we ran into about 100 of them. We just took what we needed. There was 12 of us, so we took 12. We didn't shoot 20 or 30, which we could have, but we didn't. We just took what we went there to get. When we get more than one shooter, it doesn't take long to knock them down."
A cellphone video and photographs of the elk kill, recorded and posted by his son, Riley, on his Facebook page, set off a firestorm on the Internet as critics alleged the dead animals were a symbol of irresponsible hunting.
Manitoba Conservation and Water Stewardship officials launched an investigation into the authenticity of Riley Flett's video and whether any illegal activity occurred, including to see if bait was used. Baiting elk is prohibited for all hunters in Manitoba's chronic wasting disease and tuberculosis protection zones.
Critics also used the incident to call on the province to do more to protect the province's elk herds, which are being hunted more frequently because of bans on moose hunting in some parts of the province.
The bans were imposed to allow moose numbers to increase. Besides hunting, moose numbers are down because of winter ticks and predation.
"Now that moose are closed, we've got to take a few more elk than we normally would," Flett said.
Flett said the hunt took place on private land where there were old alfalfa bales.
"Any farmer has bales laying out on their fields. If the animals come to them, well, I guess that's their option, but they're not put out there just to get them in there."
Flett also said he and the other hunters were careful to shoot what animals they needed.
"There are some bulls there, some calves and some yearlings and a couple of cows. People made it out that we went out and shot a bunch of pregnant cows. That's not correct. Those were dry cows. We didn't find any calves when we gutted them out."
He also said he and others walked through the area afterwards to make sure no elk were wounded and ran into the trees.
"We were satisfied that there none that were wounded, none that we could find anyway."
Flett said he and landowner Les Nelson met with media in Swan River and with Natural Resources officers to set the record straight about the hunt.
"Hopefully we can put this whole thing to rest," he said. "It's been blown all out of proportion. It's all over the Internet and people are commenting and some pretty rude comments are being thrown back and forth and there are accusations that don't need to be there."
Flett said if he were white, he and his family would not be criticized.
"If this was one of those wilderness TV shows, where they record their hunts and stuff and they're selling videos on it, nobody says nothing. But when it's First Nations feeding their families, everyone jumps on it."
He said the 12 animals have been processed and the meat is being distributed to family members.
None of the meat is being sold.
"There was nothing wasted. Natural Resources can confirm that. They did their investigation and took a look. As First Nations we don't waste anything. We make everything count."
Usually it's the natives being racist to the whites, not the other way around.
I come from Birch River. And that I know is not entirely true. Most of them don't waste the meat and respect the wildlife but there are some that don't. Once I was watching some young natives shooting several deer using a spotlight. This old native also watching this said "They're going to ruin it for us all."
Trust me on this. Some of the poachers down there are white. It would be nice if the C/O's actually made more of an appearance instead of just during hunting season where you get asked for your license 3 times a day. I remember going for a ride up in the Porcupine Hills a week before deer season started and looking down at the valley and seeing several spotlights swinging around the fields.
Sorry, must have missed that...I don't get a weekly copy of Anishinabek News.
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Sounds a bit fishy, listen to the video, at the end he said something about getting them all except a bull that got away. By my count i see 2 bulls, 2 maybe 3 calfs and the rest cows, if they were pregnate it would probally too early to see fetus'. If there were 12 hunters and the herd can handle this, i don't have a problem with this, no differant then a hunting camp all tagging out
As was pointed out by bearkilr we don't have that many Elk in Manitoba. I got tired of paying a fee just for the privilege of entering a draw that I never was successful in so I don't even bother anymore. Just another tax grab from the province.
If they were white, Fish&Wildlife would have been visiting them as soon as the story leaked out. Every hunter's license , and every tag would have been scrutinized, to confirm that no laws were broken. If anything didn't check out, charges would have resulted.
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I would suspect there were several snowmobiles involved, hence the bald spots/rubbed off hair on the elk from being dragged behind to the truck.
The 12 hunters/12 elk proclamation is of course nonsense, as is the "food for winter" statement. In fact, for those of us who deal with this stuff on a regular basis, the whole article is nonsense and standard table fare answers the media are presented.
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