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the Grand Slam is a pretty dumpy shaped bullet. retained velocity and energy at long range is pretty poor compared to other bullets. if placement is sure, then it will kill obviously, but it's not a very potent number, especially when ranges stretch to a quarter mile.

1200 ft -lbs @ 425 yards for the 130 GS

now a 140 TSX-BT would land with 1550 ft-lbs, and retain 100% of its weight and penetrate very deep.

would be a better bullet for elk in a 270 IMO
 
todbartell said:
the Grand Slam is a pretty dumpy shaped bullet. retained velocity and energy at long range is pretty poor compared to other bullets. if placement is sure, then it will kill obviously, but it's not a very potent number, especially when ranges stretch to a quarter mile.

1200 ft -lbs @ 425 yards for the 130 GS

now a 140 TSX-BT would land with 1550 ft-lbs, and retain 100% of its weight and penetrate very deep.

would be a better bullet for elk in a 270 IMO
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This is a very interesting discussion.

My experience with the Barnes X is just the opposite, that it does not open at all at extended ranges. I have seen them with the tips barely turned back, way less than than the diameter of the bullet. I have also seen many lead core bullets that were still expand well over their original diameter.

Is the Triple-Shock a more useful bullet in this regardthan the original X?

Thanks,
Ted
 
2230 fps impact speed @ 425 yards with a 140 TSX @ 2950 fps muzzle velocity. That should be enough to expand it in theory. The TSX seem to open up real nice compared to the older copper X's, but I've never thumped an elk in the ribcage four football fields away to test out this theory.
 
Is the Triple-Shock a more useful bullet in this regardthan the original X?
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There's no doubt. In fact, they've now gone back and re-done the tsx and i BELIEVE (but i'm not sure) the originals with the new tip developed for the triple shock.

I lit into a moose at 250 yards with a triple shock - perfect petal. That must have been pretty close to 2355 fps impact speed according to my math. It turned it's innards into goo nicely and it was found on the outside hide.
 
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I actually tried this exact bullet in this exact rifle, with 4 powders, and could not get inside 1.3 inches. I used the GS load because I have used it on gamne before, and I had 100 of them on my shelf for 3 years waiting to be used, I was pleasantly surprised with the accuracy, and they expanded VETY well at the "diminuitive" velocity it impacted the elk with. I have tried the ### bullet in 3 270's and have not been impressed with the accuracy given. What powder do the ### demigods propose. IF I can get MOA acuuracy, I would not hesitate to imvestigate this bullet further.
 
I actually tried this exact bullet in this exact rifle, with 4 powders, and could not get inside 1.3 inches.
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Yes, I hear you on this one. We could not get my friend's Rem 721 to shoot with the 130gr. TSX to shoot. BUT, it wouldn't shoot the 130gr GS either. The load I used to use in a M700 mountain rifle was 62.0gr of RL22 with the 130gr. This is max in the No.1 Barnes manual, but it is over max in the new manual. I would try the XLC's, as I have had poor luck with both TSX's that I have tried (.270 and .375). My 7mm shoots 160gr XLC's into 3/4" all day long.
 
I prefer the good old reliable partition, they open at all ranges and i have never had one let me down in 35 years in penetration or exspasion. My opinion.
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This is true. I have, however, had a partition come apart on an Elk. The shot was 125 yards, slightly quartering towards me. The bullet entered at the joint ( don't know the technical name) by the shoulder and leg. From what I could piece together the bullet was upset and began to tumble, shedding both lead cores. The jacket did not make it through the far side rib. I guess it is moot because I recovered the bull after a 100 yard follow up, and no second shot was required. It was a 160gr out of a 7mm RM.
 
My next load devt will likely be the 140 gr Nosler Partition, as I as well have had nothing but excellent results. I either am not finicky enough or am just unlucky, but I have never has good luck with Barnes bullets
 
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