Ely Tenex .22 lr ammo
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cheap????
I don't know about cheap ..... but Target shooting products/ north sylva lists it at $150 per brick(or $1450 a case)
the very serious target shooters (and those that get their ammo from sponsors) rank it in the top three depending on your gun.
tg
I don't know about cheap ..... but Target shooting products/ north sylva lists it at $150 per brick(or $1450 a case)
the very serious target shooters (and those that get their ammo from sponsors) rank it in the top three depending on your gun.
tg
Eley Tenex or Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS as it is called now isn't that cheap unless you consider $15/box of 50 cheap.
There are lower grades of Eley that can work as well if you measure rim thickness and batch them.
I have found Lapua Master shot smaller groups than my current brick of Tenex EPS out of my Anshutz prone rifle. At $81/brick I think I had order more.
There are lower grades of Eley that can work as well if you measure rim thickness and batch them.
I have found Lapua Master shot smaller groups than my current brick of Tenex EPS out of my Anshutz prone rifle. At $81/brick I think I had order more.
Lapua has moved all .22 product to Germany and have new machinery for their new product line.
The SK Lapua-branded products; Standard Club, Super Club and others will revert to the original SK Jagd names.
Both lines will be here in December.
Regardless of what us salesmen tell you, test lots and types to see what works in your rifle.
Regards,
Peter
The SK Lapua-branded products; Standard Club, Super Club and others will revert to the original SK Jagd names.
Both lines will be here in December.
Regardless of what us salesmen tell you, test lots and types to see what works in your rifle.
Regards,
Peter
I shoot Eley Target Rifle and Eley Match EPS out of my built up 10/22. It gives me the most consistent groupings. Im punching 10 rounds through a dime at 50 yards.
I picked up the Eley Target Rifle at P&D and the Eley Target EPS at Phoenix here in Edmonton. Its a bit more pricey, but I just wanted to see what the match barrel was capable of. When gopher hunting, I just use Winchester Wildcats.
I picked up the Eley Target Rifle at P&D and the Eley Target EPS at Phoenix here in Edmonton. Its a bit more pricey, but I just wanted to see what the match barrel was capable of. When gopher hunting, I just use Winchester Wildcats.
We carry the Eley brands in stock...Tenex Ultimate EPS is in stock at $180/500...this is the new price but next shipment may be more. Phil.
I shoot Eley match EPS and Eley Ultimate EPS [plus Lapua Midas M or L] and use what produces the most consistent results in the rifle I am shooting. My 40X Remington & my Anshutz 54 Match both like the present lot # of EPS Match I have, so I laid in a case of the stuff. My Winchester 52C likes a present lot of Lapua Midas M the best. The 52 pre-A likes a lot of Midas L, 541S Remington likes a certain lot of RWS R50, etc,etc. You have to try some of several offerings to find out what is best. In an unmodified semi-auto, you are wasting your money buying this expensive ammo, IMHO. Try Super Club or Eley practice for these. Regards, Eagleye.
You do have to try it in the particular rifle that you plan on shooting it through. That rifle may like it, or it may not. Or you may need to try a few different lots to find one it does like. It will be different for every gun. And if it doesn't fit that gun's chamber very well, it will shoot like crap. But if it fits that gun's chamber nicely, it will shoot very, very nicely. But, you gotta try it in that gun to see. How it performs in someone else's gun won't necessarily tell you anything.
Eley
I have done extensive measuring and testing of all the high end .22 ammo and it is true that guns have different appetites -
HOWEVER -
Lapua TENDS to outshoot and outmeasure (rim thickness,weight) - Eley , RWS , etc. in most cases - in Walthers , BSA's , Anshutz , Rugers etc.
Lot numbers are very important as they can tell you at what stage of die wear the ammo was made.
Many years ago when P.M.C. transferred thier .22 factory from Korea to Mexico - the dies were all new and P.M.C. Scoremaster (blue box - $1.50) outshot and outmeasured ALL the high end stuff. Had several thousand bricks of it (almost gone now). Scoremaster now is just ordinary ammo.
It could be that the extreme high end expensive ammo comes from the same dies as the low end cheaper stuff - just at different stages of die wear.
Even consistancy of the high end stuff has been frustrating Olympic shooters for years - they watch lot numbers like hawks and still get bad batches.
Bottom line - measure,sort,shoot - pick what works.
I have done extensive measuring and testing of all the high end .22 ammo and it is true that guns have different appetites -
HOWEVER -
Lapua TENDS to outshoot and outmeasure (rim thickness,weight) - Eley , RWS , etc. in most cases - in Walthers , BSA's , Anshutz , Rugers etc.
Lot numbers are very important as they can tell you at what stage of die wear the ammo was made.
Many years ago when P.M.C. transferred thier .22 factory from Korea to Mexico - the dies were all new and P.M.C. Scoremaster (blue box - $1.50) outshot and outmeasured ALL the high end stuff. Had several thousand bricks of it (almost gone now). Scoremaster now is just ordinary ammo.
It could be that the extreme high end expensive ammo comes from the same dies as the low end cheaper stuff - just at different stages of die wear.
Even consistancy of the high end stuff has been frustrating Olympic shooters for years - they watch lot numbers like hawks and still get bad batches.
Bottom line - measure,sort,shoot - pick what works.
Several thousand bricks!?! 
Lapua may tend to outshoot Eley Tenex in your guns, but in general the Eley Tenex can't be beat. You just have to have a gun that likes Eley Tenex, and that means a tight match chamber that nicely fits the Eley Tenex. There *is* a reason that Eley absolutely dominates both the Olympics and benchrest shooting. The benchrest guys get special chambers cut in their custom barrels that match Eley ammunition very closely, and they get incredible results.
I'd hesitate very much to say that Olympic shooters are getting frustrated by bad batches. It's much more likely that, in cases like that, they didn't do proper lot testing and got a lot that doesn't match their gun very well. If you want to see how much variation there can be from lot to lot in the same gun, I've got some very recent results of a guy that went to the Eley factory's "customer range" to have them do lot testing in his gun in their testing rig, and I can send you those results to look at. All tests were done with different lots of Tenex Ultimate EPS, and they vary quite a bit from lot to lot. That variation, however, is only showing you how good of a match that lot is to that gun. That variation isn't due to quality of the lots. All lots of Tenex meet the same quality criteria that Eley has laid out in order for that lot to be called Tenex. If it doesn't meet those criteria, it isn't Tenex, and it goes into boxes with either Match or Team labels instead, depending how far out of spec it is. They've got threshold levels that must be met to be called Tenex, and if it doesn't meet those the lot then gets compared to the threshold levels for Match. If it meets those, it goes in Match boxes, and if it doesn't, it's still likely good enough to go into the Team boxes at the next rung down the ladder. So, you're not going to get a bad batch of Tenex. But you may get a lot of Tenex that your gun doesn't like. And if you can't find a lot of Tenex that your gun likes, even if you try many, many lots, then your chamber's likely too loose to get good results from match ammo.
And with high-end match ammo, nobody measures/sorts anymore. Eley (and Lapua) have advanced their manufacturing techniques to the point that there isn't any meaningful variation in their top of the line stuff to even be worth measuring. Everybody just shoots the stuff straight out of the box. This is why the price tag on them is so much higher than mid-grade and low-grade ammo. We asked for more consistent ammo, they did the work to give it to us, and charge us for that. Mid- to low-end stuff can sometimes benefit a little from measuring/sorting, but not the high-end stuff. There's just not any meaningful variation there.
edit - Here's the thread containing those Eley customer range results. The PDF file with the results from the Eley staff are at the bottom of the first page. http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56658
Lapua may tend to outshoot Eley Tenex in your guns, but in general the Eley Tenex can't be beat. You just have to have a gun that likes Eley Tenex, and that means a tight match chamber that nicely fits the Eley Tenex. There *is* a reason that Eley absolutely dominates both the Olympics and benchrest shooting. The benchrest guys get special chambers cut in their custom barrels that match Eley ammunition very closely, and they get incredible results.
I'd hesitate very much to say that Olympic shooters are getting frustrated by bad batches. It's much more likely that, in cases like that, they didn't do proper lot testing and got a lot that doesn't match their gun very well. If you want to see how much variation there can be from lot to lot in the same gun, I've got some very recent results of a guy that went to the Eley factory's "customer range" to have them do lot testing in his gun in their testing rig, and I can send you those results to look at. All tests were done with different lots of Tenex Ultimate EPS, and they vary quite a bit from lot to lot. That variation, however, is only showing you how good of a match that lot is to that gun. That variation isn't due to quality of the lots. All lots of Tenex meet the same quality criteria that Eley has laid out in order for that lot to be called Tenex. If it doesn't meet those criteria, it isn't Tenex, and it goes into boxes with either Match or Team labels instead, depending how far out of spec it is. They've got threshold levels that must be met to be called Tenex, and if it doesn't meet those the lot then gets compared to the threshold levels for Match. If it meets those, it goes in Match boxes, and if it doesn't, it's still likely good enough to go into the Team boxes at the next rung down the ladder. So, you're not going to get a bad batch of Tenex. But you may get a lot of Tenex that your gun doesn't like. And if you can't find a lot of Tenex that your gun likes, even if you try many, many lots, then your chamber's likely too loose to get good results from match ammo.
And with high-end match ammo, nobody measures/sorts anymore. Eley (and Lapua) have advanced their manufacturing techniques to the point that there isn't any meaningful variation in their top of the line stuff to even be worth measuring. Everybody just shoots the stuff straight out of the box. This is why the price tag on them is so much higher than mid-grade and low-grade ammo. We asked for more consistent ammo, they did the work to give it to us, and charge us for that. Mid- to low-end stuff can sometimes benefit a little from measuring/sorting, but not the high-end stuff. There's just not any meaningful variation there.
edit - Here's the thread containing those Eley customer range results. The PDF file with the results from the Eley staff are at the bottom of the first page. http://www.benchrest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56658
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Several thousand rounds, sure, but several thousand bricks? Riiiiight. You said it was $1.50 a box. That's $15.00 a brick. And several thousand of those is, what, $30,000? $45,000? $60,000? $90,000? Who's going to buy that much of $1.50 a box ammo? And shoot it all? Are you shooting right now as you type? heh
yep
Yes , I bought skids - several 1000 bricks . I personally go through 500 to 1000 rds a week - With my trainees {THEY PAY FOR THEIR AMMO} I often go through several thousand rounds a week. For the last 30 years or so - Yeah its a lot - There are a few on gunnutz who know me and have watched me train my troopees - for many years --
Yes , I bought skids - several 1000 bricks . I personally go through 500 to 1000 rds a week - With my trainees {THEY PAY FOR THEIR AMMO} I often go through several thousand rounds a week. For the last 30 years or so - Yeah its a lot - There are a few on gunnutz who know me and have watched me train my troopees - for many years --
