enemy at the gates: What is the REAL rifle used?

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Hi folks,
a friend of mine who know nothing about gun want to know which rifle the real russian sniper use in this war. I know nothing about it except that it is probably a mosin nagant 91/30 in 7.62x54R and I'm also really confused about the scope. He really want to have the same gun and we need to know ALL the info about this one. What I learned on the internet is the fact that the rifle used in the movie is probably not the real rifle used by Zaitsev. We have (all of us in CGN) the opportunity to have a totally new gunnutz with us. Help me!!!

Thanks
 
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl03-e.htm

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/105392/enemy_at_the_gates_sharpshooter/


sametwinnie said:
Hi folks,
a friend of mine who know nothing about gun want to know which rifle the real russian sniper use in this war. I know nothing about it except that it is probably a mosin nagant 91/30 in 7.62x54R and I'm also really confused about the scope. He really want to have the same gun and we need to know ALL the info about this one. What I learned on the internet is the fact that the rifle used in the movie is probably not the real rifle used by Zaitsev. We have (all of us in CGN) the opportunity to have a totally new gunnutz with us. Help me!!!

Thanks
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The real rifle is in the museum of Moscow under lock and key....I rather doubt that they would allow it to be manhandled just to make a movie. Many replicas are abound, just have to find someone that is willing to part with theirs.
 
The rifle used in the making of the film was a dewat.
Did Zaitsev use a rifle with a PE scope, or with a PU? Did the PU not become standard issue after Stalingrad?
 
Zaitsev used several Models of 91/30 rifles during the War, during his time in Stalingrad he had a PEM. The Movie is wrong since the PU was not yet in service during the battle.
 
Was the PE a better scope than the PU? I've read that the PU was designed for cheap mass production. The PE looks more like traditional scopes including current designs but the PU looks excessively compact for good optical quality and seems to be made of stampings.
 
skirsons said:
What about lefties from all armies (not just Russian/Soviet)?
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Haha good question... Well the reason I asked about the Russians because most other WWII nations had enlistments, so I think they could have screened out left-handers or did some adjustments accordingly. But the Russians were all conscripted or forced into battle so... Difference there.
 
I doubt highly they would weed out lefties (leftists perhaps). Simply they would be trained to shoot right handed, unless they were previously proficient shooters, but even then they would likely already be comfortable shooting left with a right handed gun. As I doubt there were too many left hand guns being made back then period (comparatively there's not many now for that matter). Heck I shoot either hand (a little more comfortable left) although I'm right handed. And I know some lefties who have become very proficient cycling a right handed bolt.

As for the poster I'm sure it was an issue with the printing where they reversed the image for compositional reasons or such, this is extremely common with movie posters.
 
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Oh yeah the good ole Mosin Nagant 91/30PU. I must admit seeing that movie had a big impact on me getting one as well. The history of the rifle is soo cool. I joined the forum and asked pretty much the same question--"Where do i get one of these". Two weeks later I had a Perfect Mint 1944 Tula Arsenal 91/30PU all matching serial numbers. I couldnt sleep for two days--i would just stare at the thing..:)
Ill post pics if ya like..

staman
 
I made my repo for under $500. SIR had the 91/30's for $119.00. Got a bent bolt handle off gunbroker for $50 and the whole scope/mount kit of ebay for $285. After that was only simple to drill, tap, and fit the stock.

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