Enfield 1914 parts not interchangeable between manufactures?
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"...Enfield 1914/1917..." Those are two different rifles. The P-14 is a .303 Brit, the other a .30-06. Most parts between a P-14 and P-17 are not interchangeable. Parts between like rifles are certainly interchangeable no matter who made the rifle though. IE. All P-14 parts will fit another P-14, but not a P-17.
Wikipedia article claims...
This is where I got the info from... is it wrong?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-14
This is where I got the info from... is it wrong?
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russian_babushka said:
P14 was probably the first US rifle to use standard drawing numbers.....meaning all parts would be interchangeable between the 3 manufacturers. Apparantly there were 10,000 produced before the adoption of standard drawings though........but doesn't mean parts won't fit. The main deal with the MkI revision was to lenghten the left locking lug on the bolt.....so other then bolt swapping, everything else even before standardising will swap.
Hitzy said:
But not on the P14
That being said, the majority of P14 parts swap, but the odd ones don't. For examples, an Eddystone mag follower won't work properly in a Winchester, but will in a Remington, etc.
Also, P14Mk1's don't have interchangeable bolts with P14Mk1*'s.
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Well, I have a Pattern 14 rifle with a Model 1917 bolt. But it has been rebarreled from .303 to 7.62 NATO. My .300 Win Mag has a modified .303 bolt, and I forget which action it is.
Depending on what you want to do there may be relatively little to worry about. A sporter or target rifle might be little more than a stripped receiver; but a rebuilt milsurp rifle will need close attention to detail.
Depending on what you want to do there may be relatively little to worry about. A sporter or target rifle might be little more than a stripped receiver; but a rebuilt milsurp rifle will need close attention to detail.
P14 interchangeability
The P-14 had interchangeability problems with parts between manufacturers and also between the same manufacturer --the same mfg interchangeability problems were in the very early numbers of the Winchester contract.
To the point that word was sent to -- NOT send any more Winchester P14's to europe until the Winchester to Winchester parts interchangeability problems had been worked out. And-- it was worked out shortly.
Now as to the between mfg's parts problem--yes there was problems.
The following items could be a problem.
Bolts
Firing pins
magazine boxes
receiver's -
the receiver problem applicable if a receiver was being built up in the field. It had to be a Winny receiver on Winny parts and same with Remington and Eddy.
Stocks, bands, sights and most all small parts were not usually a problem at all.
As for the M1917 the mention in a post above of Winchester not starting production until drawings were finished -- this was for the 1917 only.
However Remington and Eddystone started M1917 production early --30 to 90 days before depending on the mfg--before standardized drawings were approved by the war department and gauges made up to those drawings.
But-- it is generally reported by the US inspectors that M1917 parts were all interchangeable between manufacturers due to the rifle design being re-drawn from the P14 drawings and a more thorough gauging system being implemented before production was in full swing.
Of course -- here and there a part will come to light that may be a Winny part and will not fit that Eddystone --say a magazine box or some other part.
This happens from time to time. But generally the US army reports to congress reported that the high percentage of parts interchangeability between manufacturers for the M1917 rifles met and exceeded other rifle designs of the day.
Cannot recall the date of that report but something like 1920?
P14 to M1917 interchangeability is another kettle of fish itself but lots of parts do fit but not---
a) firing pins-- "different diameters"
b) magazine boxes-- "different lengths"
c) some stocks -- "some stocks have tighter mounting hole tolerances"
d) possibly followers-- length issues.
regards
Terry in Victoria
The P-14 had interchangeability problems with parts between manufacturers and also between the same manufacturer --the same mfg interchangeability problems were in the very early numbers of the Winchester contract.
To the point that word was sent to -- NOT send any more Winchester P14's to europe until the Winchester to Winchester parts interchangeability problems had been worked out. And-- it was worked out shortly.
Now as to the between mfg's parts problem--yes there was problems.
The following items could be a problem.
Bolts
Firing pins
magazine boxes
receiver's -
the receiver problem applicable if a receiver was being built up in the field. It had to be a Winny receiver on Winny parts and same with Remington and Eddy.
Stocks, bands, sights and most all small parts were not usually a problem at all.
As for the M1917 the mention in a post above of Winchester not starting production until drawings were finished -- this was for the 1917 only.
However Remington and Eddystone started M1917 production early --30 to 90 days before depending on the mfg--before standardized drawings were approved by the war department and gauges made up to those drawings.
But-- it is generally reported by the US inspectors that M1917 parts were all interchangeable between manufacturers due to the rifle design being re-drawn from the P14 drawings and a more thorough gauging system being implemented before production was in full swing.
Of course -- here and there a part will come to light that may be a Winny part and will not fit that Eddystone --say a magazine box or some other part.
This happens from time to time. But generally the US army reports to congress reported that the high percentage of parts interchangeability between manufacturers for the M1917 rifles met and exceeded other rifle designs of the day.
Cannot recall the date of that report but something like 1920?
P14 to M1917 interchangeability is another kettle of fish itself but lots of parts do fit but not---
a) firing pins-- "different diameters"
b) magazine boxes-- "different lengths"
c) some stocks -- "some stocks have tighter mounting hole tolerances"
d) possibly followers-- length issues.
regards
Terry in Victoria
