Enfield Abomination

There is obviously a high demand for original, full wood Lee Enfields. How did Canada end up sporterizing most of them? Truly a dark period in Canadian history. I cry to think about what we could have as a supply of these Canadian icons in original condition.


There wasn't any demand for original LEs 30-40-50 years ago. They were almost universally detested as junk by gun people. Sporterizing a LE back them was no different than modifying a cooey, SKS or Norc M14 today.

And i'll tell you a secret - if there were still tens of thousands of original condition Lee Enfields available now, nobody would value them. They'd still be bought by bubba to make a cheap deer rifle and nobody would care.

You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone.
 
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There are thousands of original condition LE out there inthe world. We just have not seen them on the market -- yet
 
Nil desperandum: do not despair.

Robert0288, there are lots and lots of Bubba's ex-girls around, crying desperately in the various corners and nooks and crannies for someone to buy them, take them home, love them, dress them up and take the out on the town. You can ask Buffdog; I likely have more junk than half the guys here. (Problem is that they have more nice ones than I have! LOL!)
Thing is, it doesn't have to cost a fortune to get started. There are still decent old Lee-Enfields on the go for under a hundred bucks, ones fit for restoration. There are people with parts. There WILL be wood, or so we are told (I need a truckload). The really neat part is that if you hang around in a joint like this, you get to know some really neat people and a lot of them REALLY knows their onions. You can LEARN a LOT here on CGN and I don't think ANYONE here minds if you ask questions.
You're a student, so likely you are out of school right now and working. What you do is each of the next 3 weeks, the weeks of this month, put a $20 and a $5 bill, one of each, into the one book that you will always remember: your Bible. At the end of July, you take all of this out and you have $100. Get on here, or check out your local sporting-goods shop or gun shop and see what they have in the back room in the line of sportered Lee-Enfields. Pick out one that strikes your fancy and has a decent bore, take her home and you are now in the business of being a preserver of your country's heritage. On top of that, you'll be able to go to the range whenever you want to. Learn about handloading, too; it's the cheapest possible way to get GOOD ammo for your shooting and you learn a lot at that, too.
And the most important thing of all is that you'll learn something really important: being a REAL Historian of the hands-on variety is a lot of fun.
And welcome to the club!


That said, it must be pointed out that Buffdog, having lived in Ontario during those years, was uncommonly blessed in some ways. The wages he describes continued, out here on the Prairies, for a decade afterwards. When I started fulltime work outside of a family-owned business (1962) the minimum wage (all that most people got) was 70 cents an hour for a job that you had to turn up for at 5 in the morning. That's $28 a week, gross pay, and from that you had to deduct income taxes (2 kinds, federal and provincial), Unemployment Insurance and medical. That left you about $21 a week for all your work and that $10.66 Number 4 in the hardware store set you back better than half a week's pay. And you still had to have a place to live and you had to eat. Good thing coffee was a dime and you could get a Nip, Chips and Salad for 45 cents. You paid with a green piece of paper and your change didn't go 'klunk' when it hit the counter: 80% silver. A skilled and VERY good Carpenter generally got $1 an hour or less; his helper was lucky to make 75 cents. And fuel, even though the West is where it ALL came from, always cost more out here than it did in Central Canada; they had 29-cent-a-gallon gasoline for years while we drilled for it, pumped it out, refined it and paid 41.9 a gallon.

Just for perspective.

Sometimes I think the Good Old Days are right now. It's just that Mark I Lee-Metfords have just got so SCARY scarce!
 
I'm not going to lie...I don't like it one bit. The problem is it`s hard to ask everyone to be a collector or have an appreciation for fine engineering. Case in point are classic cars. Bubba city........But if I were to ask you to keep your dodge Neon in pristine condition you would tell me to grow t**s. Hindsight indeed;)

I would settle for keeping it on life support thank you :D. Mom had an Eaton's Catalog from about 1974 around until quite recently, they had the bubba'd #4's for $7 bucks and change - I wish I had taken a scan of that page. :(
 
I went through my milsurp phase in the 70s and 80s when most people still considered milsurps to be junk and everything was still very reasonably priced.

Some of the stuff i bought back then that sticks out in my mind:
1944 Longbranch exc cond. $75
No.1 Mk3 Lee Enfield VG, $60
Ishapore Lee Enfield .303 new, unfired $75
1891 Mosin Nagant new, unfired $45 (not refurbed)
M39 Finnish capture MN, VG, $75 (most accurate milsurp i ever shot)
M1896 Swedish Mauser VG, $50-$125 (i had at least 8 at various times)
M1894 Swedish Mauser Carbine VG. $60
M1908 Brazilian Mauser new, unfired $125 gorgeous walnut
SVT40, exc. (refurb) $100

I had a bunch more, but those were my favourites Then i gradually lost interest and moved on to different stuff. I'm not a collector/hoarder. I enjoyed using them, leaning their mechanical workings, and appreciating their place in history. I sold them all eventually, and I made sure they went to good homes. I wish I had kept the M1894 Swede and the M39 Finn.
 
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There is obviously a high demand for original, full wood Lee Enfields. How did Canada end up sporterizing most of them? Truly a dark period in Canadian history. I cry to think about what we could have as a supply of these Canadian icons in original condition.

VERY easy answer.....the country was full of veterans trying to make a life after the war....they moved to far flung logging camps and remote mines...they wanted a cheap hunting rifle and they were familiar with the 303....they were also looking for something lighter than what they had packed all over europe...

Also you had trappers, ranchers, and once a year hunters that could only afford a 303...they cut the wood off and sometimes the barrel to lighten the load.....

lets not be too hard on these fore-fathers of ours they were simply surviving.....

The Lee Enfield was simply a rugged tool to most of them...

Today we have enough disposable income to actually "collect" things...they did not have the luxury.
 
My pop's annual income from 1942 was $960.80 and in 1943 he made a whopping 1447.14. Guess how he made that money?:D Have the statements framed on a book shelf.
My brother told me a story a few years after his death about him spending $1500 in the mid fifties for (He thinks it was an Ithaca) a shotgun. Probably a trap gun as I still have a lot of his swag from the late fifties & early sixties.
Some gunnutz's were bigger than others, I guess....:eek: No idea where that gun is now.:(
 
In our part of SK a lot of bush was cleared after the war which required shooting at longer ranges than the .30-30 or the old black powder stand-bys like the .38-56, .32-40, etc. were capable of. Besides, ammo supply for the old Winchesters which were used by the original homesteaders dried up after WW2.

Economics was the big driver for MILSURP sporters in the '50s and early '60s. I can recall looking at Model 70 Winchesters for around $140 back when $400 a month was a pretty good wage. Add a scope and mounts and you were up to $250, and that price was beyond most people's means. I bought a mint No5 in 1962 for $18. I then purchased a Bishop Monte-carlo butt for another $10 and had it drilled and tapped for a Weaver T01 mount. Add another hard- earned $50 for a K4 Weaver scope and rings and that got you to less than $100 all-in. Not a bad way to go versus that pretty Model 70.

I still have that rifle and it has gotten me some fine animals over the years. It isn't as elegant as the many Model 70s and Model 700s which I've also owned over the years, but it is still my first choice for the bush.
 
I disagree. If they weren't as rare as they are now, who'd collect them.
They'd still be cheap.

Case in point; original HotWheels redlines.
How many were kept inside the package?
Would they still be worth as much if most of them were?

I have several No1's with volley sights still attached.
Rare? Yup!
Pricey? Yup!

Going up in value, I hope so. They aren't making them anymore.

I think you've misunderstood my point here.

THEN: Lee Enfields were the cheap kid on the block, plentiful in many configurations, and lots of guys sporterized them because of this.

NOW: Lee Enfields in original condition are getting rarer and rarer, and thus it's a shame to see what happened to some of them when they were plentiful and cheap.

NOW: SKSes are plentiful and cheap, and being sporterized by the assload.

30 YEARS FROM NOW: People will be complaining about all the Bubba'd SKSes that our generation contributed to their 'collector' pool.

30 YEARS FROM NOW: The Globalmegacorp Ultra-Zap, fresh from military surplus, is cheap and plentiful...

60 YEARS FROM NOW: "Who the hell WERE these people, Bubba-ing the GM Ultra-Zaps! The idiots! These are collector's pieces!"

;)

I hope that clears up what I was trying to say? LE's now are anything but plentiful... and it's because of the Bubbas of yesteryear that we're in that predicament.

-M
 
With all due respect,

I doubt there will be many shedding tears over SKS's.
Any LB would put an SKS to shame, quality, and accuracy wise.

H:S:
 
One abomination comin' up ! :evil:

I was just given this barreled receiver thats been D/T'd ,so...I just as well find a mount too.
I'm not sure of what evil plan I have for this yet but I'm fishing for some blonde coloured furniture for a start.

A 1940 BSA ShtLE stamped III , with no star* , and cut-off slot .
Full length barrel with a decent looking bore , matching numbered Mklll* type rearsight.
I think I can have some fun here :D

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