Enfield No4 Mk1 markings

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I have a Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 that I've been able to determine is BSA 1943. There are a number of stampings on it that I haven't been able to figure out using online Enfield resources.
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I was able to find some vague information describing this stamping as an accurized enfield, if anyone knows otherwise or cares to elaborate?
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Found it strange to see a Parker Hale stamping on a BSA.
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I believe this is a Savage marking, probably not a surprise as magazines come and go.
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It almost looks like she was re-numbered (re-built) at one point ?

What does it say on top of the receiver, something..."by Fulton" ? That may be one clue.

Is she a target rifle by chance (target sights or 7.62 Nato caliber ) ?

The magazine is indeed from Savage in the U.S.

Sorry I can't be much more help but you do have an interesting No 4.
 
The barrel was ball burnished, which was intended to smooth the bore. It was set up for target shooting by Fulton. Would have had a target sight, not the Mk. II. A PH5C, or other sight would be appropriate. PH front sight.
 
The 300/600 was probably stuck on there when the target sight was removed. By micrometer sight do you mean a Mk. I with elevation adjustment, or a target sight?
 
The stylized M is a Maltby not a BSA. The Royal Ordnance Factory Maltby made 737,000 No.4s between 1941 and 1945. The serial number ranges are 10,000 to 19,999 with single letter prefixes and then AA through BZ. I read your serial number as BJ13159, made in 1943.

The receiver is marked Regulated by Fultons and the barrel is marked Ball Burnished. This is strictly a post-war activity. At one time this was decided to have been an accurate rifle. Fultons had a business on the range at Bisley where dark magic arts were applied to the bedding surfaces of "timber" to make the bedding more consistent. If the stock has some contrasting coloured inserts on the angles around the reciever, then it has been rebuilt. A ball burnished barrel was one chosen from the thousands of left over parts because it was less rough, more straight and properly cut than all the others. Depending on the rifling cutter used and the direction of the cut, some wartime barrels were found to have conical rifling that widened at the muzzle. I suppose these were less desirable for accuracy. The ball burnishing technique was to drag a very hard oiled steel ball welded to a rod through the bore to press down the rough spots.

Whatever good back sight was removed, probably for resale. The front sight numeral means its height. Sighting-in procedures would require swapping in taller or shorter sights to get on target. A Parker Hale marking means they sold it to someone who used it. It might be thinner than an issue sight.
 
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"...strange to see a Parker Hale stamping on a BSA..." Not really. PH did a lot of post war rebuilding for commercial sale. Your rifle likely has a mix of parts. The mag lips look a bit beat up too. If it gives you feeding grief, when you get that far, start there. Most likely just the angle of the picture. The wee ding on the lip won't bother anything though.
Check the headspace even though the S/N's match. That gives no guarantee the bolt head hasn't been changed.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. I'm glad I gave up on my largely unsuccessful bumbling on the net and just asked.

Milsurps are facinating in that they all have they're own history, it's to bad the only parts that can be discovered are those that are stamped onto them.

I've had this rifle for several years and yes the magazine isn't the best. The last two rounds often fail to chamber. I just haven't got around to buying a new one.

Before I was happy with it ringing gongs consistently, I'm going to spend some time grouping it to see just how well it will shoot.
 
No. 4 front sights came in 12 different heights.The #4 Mk1 point of impact is raised or lowered by exchanging the front sight. Available front sights for the #4 are as follows;

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-0.015
0
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+0.030
+0.045
+0.060
+0.075
+0.090
+105
+0.120
 
The micrometer windage and elevation adjustable rear sight, (either Parker-Hale or A.J. Parker ) Was likely transferred to another target rifle by the original owner. It most likely had a AJP Twin zero model 4/47 or a PH model 5C When Fultons did the work.

I disagree, No.4's in good condition can be found at Fultons, unfortunately they are "on the wall" and not for sale:rolleyes: Prices? Yup been there years ago and they don't have any bargains. Bought a couple of eyepieces. The only "cheap things" were some rear sight sheet metal covers. I suppose they hadn't twigged to the fact that they were desireable, so I got lucky and bought several.
 
Fultons are expensive, even by British standards, but I wouldn't expect to get a bad shooting tool from them. They are primarily shooting store, not collecting store. Sometimes you have to use them for the expertise.
 
plinker 777 said:
I suspect that shooting in England is much like flyfishing in Scotland.....A "Gentleman's Sport" and the cost of doing either is out of reach to most of us "common rabble":p The rifles may operate as intended,but those displayed for sale were hard to look at. The wood looked every minute the 90-60yrs old that they are. And by North American standards wouldn't fetch anywhere near what they are asking. Completely different market,glad I'm in this one:D
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To the original poster - the collective wisdom has been gentle on you. The next questioner will get rude and insolent answers. You got lucky!

Fulton's is a business like any other. Their market is unfortunately limited by law to UK Firearms Licence holders who have the right slot for a .303BR rifle. That is not an easy thing to achieve because unlike us in the pitiable colonies, these virtuous citizens have to beg and plead to their local chief constable for permission to own another firearm. (That said, some misters on CGN have to justify purchases to their domestic bosses.)
 
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To the original poster - the collective wisdom has been gentle on you. The next questioner will get rude and insolent answers. You got lucky!
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I'm not sure I understand you. If someone were to be rude an insolent to someone asking a question that would make them an a**hole. I didn't think there were to many of them on here.

If that person asking the question was a long time member, asking a question answered by the search function, or a question easily answered through reference material or by google then perhaps it could be mentioned to them to try that next time.

I did research to the best of my ability using all above mentioned resources and wasn't able to positively identify the rifles history. I decided to post on here admitting defeat to my fellow CGN'rs in my efforts and hoping the vast library of the collective CGN minds could assist me, which they did. I don't think I'm completely research retarded as I helped a friend identify his No4 just recently.

I would hope that any one on here could do the same without ridicule.
 
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