Enfield no4 T 7.62x51

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I am wondering, who made it 308
Markings:
M47c 1944 c32991 50 TR
No4 MK1 T
Safety M47c
Sight SM No 7
Bolt C32991 1303
Receiver 1303 England next to barrel
Sling swivel S126
Front for end S76
Front band B
Barrel Ca 7.62
Magazine C32991
Trigger guard M/47
Butt s51
For end Ca
Sling B.T.&B. Co leather
Mint condition
scope, steel green case and chest
 
Interesting original No.4T that has been gunsmithed to be more modern. Pity.

As tiriaq says, sounds like a .303BR that was cycled through Long Branch/CAL, or which had the conventional No.4 conversion barrel swapped in. IMHO, what was a $10,000 rifle is now a curiosity worth maybe $5000. And only because of what it once was.
 
Does it have the conversion numbers and CA Maple Leaf proof markings on the bolt handle top, receiver and barrel? (conversion number 1303?)
If so, the job was done at Canadian Arsenals.

Not a value enhancer sadly but it's far from junk.

Is it finished in British black Suncorite or greenish CA parkerizing?
 
I think it is the conversion number because I have a few other DCRA rifles. I got this rifle in Vancouver as a 303, until I cleaned the oil off and it was a 7.62. In 1971.
Why would Canadian Arsenals convert a sniper to 7.62x51? What year
would they have done it?
 
Perhaps CAL would have converted the rifle to 7.62 because a DCRA member sent the rifle to them to have it rebarrelled under the conversion program.
Are there any Cdn property markings on the rifle? If not, it is unlikely that it was a Gov't property rifle experimentally converted for some purpose.
 
In a 2005 internet article entitled, "Is my Lee Enfield Sniper rifle a fake?" (http://www.enfield-rifles.com/is-my-lee-enfield-sniper-rifle-a-fake_topic3353.html), the author expresses the view that collectors must never stretch their imagination to rationalize deviations from strict ordnance instructions. In service, any changes to a carefully constructed and scarce resource would be treated as destruction of government property. Yes, the British an L8A2 (corrected from first post) program attempted conversions, but Peter Laidler's book suggests it was a day-late and a dollar-short when the momentum was to replace the No.4T with the L42A1 completely. If this was an L8A2, it would be marked as such.

With that hardheaded logic in mind, this rifle is probably a personal firearm sent to CAL or to a skilled gunsmith for conversion to 7.62x51 when the DCRA was midstride between .303 No.4 rifles, conversions, and purpose built 7.62 bolt actions.
 
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can14 said:
I am wondering, who made it 308
Markings:
M47c 1944 c32991 50 TR
No4 MK1 T
Safety M47c
Sight SM No 7
Bolt C32991 1303
Receiver 1303 England next to barrel
Sling swivel S126
Front for end S76
Front band B
Barrel Ca 7.62
Magazine C32991
Trigger guard M/47
Butt s51
For end Ca
Sling B.T.&B. Co leather
Mint condition
scope, steel green case and chest
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There's the answer whether this rifle was a military conversion to 7.62 while in service. No. The word ENGLAND is a sold out of service marking.

Is there a number stamped across the top of the butt stock at the wrist? And does it match the serial number of the scope? Which Mark of scope do you have? Is the rifle serial number repeated on the chest, and likewise the scope and rifle numbers on the metal can?
 
Perhaps it was shot with corrosive ammo at some point and not cleaned properly. Faced with a ruined barrel the decision was made to covert to 7.62 and allow shooting with modern non corrosive military ammo. Just a thought....
 
What barrel is on it???
With or without a bayonet lug??
If no lug it is a DCRA barrel an if a lug it was one of the run of barrels made in 7.62 NATO back in the 60's.
Pictures, it does not exist without pictures..........

I forgot, I have a barreled No.4 Mk.1 (T) action in 7.62 in the basement as well.....Just moved it yesterday and did not even look at it. Must check the markings.
Pictures soon, thanks to Cantom :)##
 
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wheaty said:
What barrel is on it???
With or without a bayonet lug??
If no lug it is a DCRA barrel an if a lug it was one of the run of barrels made in 7.62 NATO back in the 60's.
Pictures, it does not exist without pictures..........

I forgot, I have a barreled No.4 Mk.1 (T) action in 7.62 in the basement as well.....Just moved it yesterday and did not even look at it. Must check the markings.
Pictures soon, thanks to Cantom :)##
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So I'm thinking as I skim along "who the hell has that in the basement and "forgets" and I look at the poster details, oh, yea, wheaty could.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
There's the answer whether this rifle was a military conversion to 7.62 while in service. No. The word ENGLAND is a sold out of service marking.

Is there a number stamped across the top of the butt stock at the wrist? And does it match the serial number of the scope? Which Mark of scope do you have? Is the rifle serial number repeated on the chest, and likewise the scope and rifle numbers on the metal can?
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Having a sold out of service mark on the rifle is not necessarily an indication of it not being an 'in service' conversion - it's highly unlikely to have been one, but the England mark could have been applied after conversion and testing, or the rifle could have been converted in anticipation of conversion to L39 or L42 or Envoy or Enforcer, and then simply not required. It would depend on the other markings on the rifle, and the barrel maker. OP might want to try Milsurps .com The first rule of Enfields is 'never say never'.
 
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This is a Canadian done, Canadian Arsenals CA 7.62 conversion.
Look at the OP's list of markings on the rifle.

CA 7.62, goes on the barrel near the muzzle. He also has DCRA conversion numbers.
 
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