Enfield or Garand?

Under good conditions the garand at the lastest Easern Ontario Handgun Club milsurp shoot got top score at 200 yards, all 10 rounds in the dark inner circle, about 45cm diameter, 4 of the holes where clearly a handspan circle. All ironsights, prone. You can ask Venom for details he was the shooter.
 
rdelliott said:
If you're Canadian, you shouldn't be allowed to vote until you own a Lee Enfield.

In the U.S. you shouldn't vote unless you own a Garand! I live thirty minutes from a city north of Atlanta where it is the law for every head of household to own a firearm. I own two Garands and five Lee Enfields. Am I un-American or do I need to buy more Garands? I live three hours from CMP South Store should I go and pick one out? Isn't John C. Garand Canadian? Wouldn't it then be just as Canadian to own a Garand then? But LE's were made in the U.S. also. Would owning one Savage built be like owning a U.S. rifle? I have a U.S. Model 1917 Enfield would that also be like owning a Brit P14 or a German Mauser?

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Pak75 said:
rdelliott said:
If you're Canadian, you shouldn't be allowed to vote until you own a Lee Enfield.

In the U.S. you shouldn't vote unless you own a Garand! I live thirty minutes from a city north of Atlanta where it is the law for every head of household to own a firearm. I own two Garands and five Lee Enfields. Am I un-American or do I need to buy more Garands? I live three hours from CMP South Store should I go and pick one out? Isn't John C. Garand Canadian? Wouldn't it then be just as Canadian to own a Garand then? But LE's were made in the U.S. also. Would owning one Savage built be like owning a U.S. rifle? I have a U.S. Model 1917 Enfield would that also be like owning a Brit P14 or a German Mauser?

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We need the kind of politicians that make laws like that! Although the Canadian military used the Enfield and not the Garand in WW2, they are both great rifles that everyone should own (I do :dancingbanana:) I honestly cant decide which one I like better. To the OP, get the Garand and keep your LE!
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If you are picking up milsurp .303 at ANY price, just remember that ALL of the ammo with that big primer is CORROSIVE: it lines the bore with salt, each and every shot.

Military surplus .303 which is NOT corrosive includes the WRA (which is getting pretty dodgy by now), DC, DCCo (although most of this is really collector's stuff now), and the absolute Cream of the Crop, DI: Defence Industries, Canadian-made WW2 ammo headstamped just "DI Z" and the date in 4 figures. This is absolutely the NICEST Boxer-primed brass made anywhere, anywhen.... and almost everybody throws it away!

Military .303 made since about 1956 in Canada should be okay if it has the regular .210 primer, but ANYTHING with the big .251" primer is guaranteed corrsive, and that includes the Iraqi and Pakistani stuff that comes out of hiding every once in a while, also the GB and K ammo (English but corrosive).

Be warned! Barrels ar NOT easy to find!

Have fun!
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As a reloader I can tell you the Enfield rifle doesn't throw perfectly good brass away when you open the bolt slowly.

On the other hand the M1 is more forgiving on headspace settings. :rolleyes:

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Pak75 said:
rdelliott said:
If you're Canadian, you shouldn't be allowed to vote until you own a Lee Enfield.

In the U.S. you shouldn't vote unless you own a Garand! I live thirty minutes from a city north of Atlanta where it is the law for every head of household to own a firearm. I own two Garands and five Lee Enfields. Am I un-American or do I need to buy more Garands? I live three hours from CMP South Store should I go and pick one out? Isn't John C. Garand Canadian? Wouldn't it then be just as Canadian to own a Garand then? But LE's were made in the U.S. also. Would owning one Savage built be like owning a U.S. rifle? I have a U.S. Model 1917 Enfield would that also be like owning a Brit P14 or a German Mauser?

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Oh, rub it in, grumblemutter :).

I currently own more Mosins than I do lee-Enfields. It doesn't make me un-Canadian, it just make me start typing in Russian accent, Comrade!
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Dryzen said:
Under good conditions the garand at the lastest Easern Ontario Handgun Club milsurp shoot got top score at 200 yards, all 10 rounds in the dark inner circle, about 45cm diameter, 4 of the holes where clearly a handspan circle. All ironsights, prone. You can ask Venom for details he was the shooter.
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I saw that target. That was some nice shooting.
 
smellie said:
Forget about "Volley sights": they have not been manufactured since 1916 and were never put onto the Number 4. What you are looking at is the Mark 2 rear sight: double flip-up peepsight, 300 and 600 yards. They actually work okay but they were a wartime emergency thing, the original rearsight (the Mark 1) being a lvely thing but murder to make quickly. Mark 1 rearsights today can be found for $10 or so, the Mark 2 is worh $2, and there also are Mark 3 and 4 and also C model sights (Canadian) which are stamped sight-leaves with slide adustments They all interchange and you can switch one type for the other in about 15 minutes. Screwdriver and a set of small punches really helps.
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You are absolutely correct, sir. My mistake.

I recently swapped the Mk.2 300/600 sight on my LB No.4 Mk.1* for a Mk.1 leaf. Quick and easy and it does make a difference. I still think the Garand sights are superior, though.
 
I live thirty minutes from a city north of Atlanta where it is the law for every head of household to own a firearm.
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Did you die and are you in heaven?

I would totally go for the Garand BTW, but I thought that most if not all gas traps were rebuilt into gas ports? Also, if the Serial# is in the 2000s, that would mean it would've been made in March-April 1938 right?
 
To echo the crowd, BUY THE GARAND! There aren't nearly as many M1s in Canada as there are No.1s, 4s, 5s, and 8s.

I gotta burst your bubble about getting a real gem for the price of a Shopping Channel bobble. There are just about zero verified unrestored Gas Trap Garands in existence. These rifles weren't carefully put on the rack in the armoury waiting for the then-future collectors' market. The US government arsenal recycled every Garand back into the rebuild process to keep their value for money in useful military-issue rifles. All you are buying is a Garand with a very significant serial number. There won't be any old parts on it.
 
Thanks all for the info. One more question, since I'm close to purchasing. I have decided to go with the Garand - now, there are 2 to choose from, I eventually will get but here is the dilemma...one is a 3 million serial number, its immaculate. The other is under 2100, yes a 4 digit serial number. The seller said already he will expect a premium for the low number. Any opinions on what a fair price to pay for that would be?, (for either of them for that matter). The stocks are beautifil, not a spec of rust anywhere, the actions are like butter and the bore is as perfect as just about anything I've seen. Its almost as though both rifles were built then put into storage.
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If the 2100 s/n rifle is still in it's original gas trap configuration it is worth mucho dinero. If it is simply an early gas trap receiver which has been rebuilt to the later gas port configuration, then I wouldn't put a premium on it-other than as a curiosity.

The later 3M rifle would exhibit a more refined receiver and would be a better choice all things being equal. Pricing depends on condition and originality. Most Garands, especially the WW2 vintage rifles, have been rebuilt several times. A solid rifle with sound barrel, finish and wood should fetch $800-$1000or so nowadays.
 
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