Enfield T Range Report

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Some of you may have remembered a fella in the Ottawa area selling an Enfield T awhile back that was Indian. Well after checking it out in person I bought that rifle.
Although it has no markings to prove it is Indian it does have the Ishy screw and there is a white painted rack number on the buttstock. I have an Indian FAL that has a similar kind of painted rack number. I believe it was used by the Indians at some time.
However it is still a 1943 BSA Enfield T with a 1944 Scope. They don't match, but many do not. Nothing wrong with the Indian army. They have a heck of a lot of WW2 battle honors including some big ones like Monte Cassino. And who knows, they might not have even been given the rifle till afterwards. Could have been used by anyone in the Commonwealth nations during the war.
The rifle scope is in very good condition. There are quite a few marks and serial numbers on it to suggest it has been on a few rifles. I think that is a good thing. Obviously the scope worked, and it has been used. Likely quite a few snipers have aimed through this particular one. Oh if rifles could talk!

The rifle itself is a fine specimen. There are some professional stock repairs. An armorer did a fine job back in WW2 or afterwards.
I like a milsurp with a bit of character. I own a never issued Irish contract No.4 thats is still in the original wrapping. It is mint, but I doubt I will ever shoot it, and I don't really have a lot of love for it. Perhaps there is such a thing as TOO MINTY when it comes to a milsurp. We love these things for the history right? Well sitting in a storage locker during the war ain't much history.

Here are some pics of the rifle.

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I finally took it to the range today at EOHC. Warm, clear, no wind. Lot's of horse flies though. HOOOAAAH! was it a fun day even though the flies almost took off my scalp.

I set up at 25 and fired a few rounds to confirm basic zero and windage. I got it dialed in fast and then set up a target at the 100yd.

Here is the sight picture at 100.

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It is a pretty sight isn't it? The glass is good, the scope is a beauty. It is VERY heavy and it clicks easily and crisply. Damn they made a fine scope. I have an M1D and I have handled a 1903A4. This is THE finest sniper rifle of WW2 IMHO.

So I fired 3 sets of groupings with handloads. Nothing special. My first batch reloading 303 actually. Used N140, mixed brass, hornady 150gr SP.

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First group went tight slightly right, over adjusted on second which went slightly left and low, and the 3rd group went in the white center. Two bullets keyholed. Love it when those bullet holes kiss like that.

Well now that I was dialed in, and it only took a dozen rounds to get it zeroed, I loaded up the mag to 10rnds.

Now I hear some don't like to fully charge up an Enfield mag because it weakens the springs or something to that effect. Mamma mia...that is like dating Bar Rafaeli and being celibate. It holds 10 rounds - BOMB UP!

So fired a full MAG. Not a mad minute but I did not dwaddle. Fast as I could accurately fire em.

Voila.
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I did not set out to make a happy face, but it is funny how things happen.

Well I don't think 100yds is a fair range to test a sniper, so I took it to 200.
I only had 3rds left, so I put a few clicks in for elevation and 1,2,3.

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Bingo. That white bull area is about fist sized. Very happy with the results.

I am going to work on some really sweet reloads and see if I can get her to Connaught ranges one day at longer ranges. 800m if I can. Will report back then.

This rifle is a real treat. I don't know what it is about Enfields but they are fun to shoot. The Enfield T is not a cheap milsurp, but if you work hard you deserve to play hard. I recommend you get one, just not the one I plan on buying next!
 
I used to have one of those. Sold it to a CGNer to fund an M1D purchase.

Most of the scopes that went to India were the MkI and MkII models. IIRC, the Indians bought the rifles and scopes in separate batches.

The Indians really took great care of their rifles but in all honesty, used most of them up, beyond repair, when they ran out of suitable replacement parts.

I've seen two others besides yours. Both had MkI scopes and both scopes were fantastic. The Indians had replaced all of the lenses and made sure the internals were well lubricated on both. Your's seems to be similar.

They all had the same thin, shiney, flaky black paint as does your rifle.

None of the scope parts matched the number on the rifle and one of them was marked as being hung trigger MkI/3 model. At first I thought it might be a fake, until I ran into an Indian cabbie in Vancouver, who knew them well and described the rifle perfectly.

Wheaty, also confirmed its authenticity.

There aren't very many of those Indian MkI T rifles in Canada. IIRC, less than 20 were imported to International in Montreal many years ago.

The Indian army, went looking for a replacement for the No4 Ts and relegated the parts they had left and the surviving rifles to the Indian police forces. They were well treated there as well and very popular. They did everything they could to keep them in service.

All three of the rifles I've seen, including yours have slight differences. Mine even had the king Screw swivel band replaced with a very good home made representative model.

That's a great looking rifle. I have no idea why so many people turn up their noses at No4 rifles that have seen Indian service. The Indians, took damn good care of them. So did the Pakistanis. They just ran out of parts and the rifles were used until they were worn out in many cases. I guess they don't like the "Ishy Screw", which happens to be a darn good idea and saves a lot of stocks from the repair or fire pile.

If it weren't for the Pakistani left overs and some of their post war manufactured No4 MkII rifles, our Rangers would be hard pressed to have their No4s still in service.

OP, that's a very nice, correct No4 MkI T. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

I'm glad you actually shoot it for more enjoyment.

Take care of it as lovingly as its Indian owners and it will serve you and your heirs well for a long time.
 
Hey David,

Nice shooting.

If you can make it to our milsurp day on June 24th, we shoot 200, 300, 400, 500, 600.
lots of fun and plenty of shooting. 4 sighters and 15 on score each distance. Will use 200 for sighting and position the new guys.

I am torn between my '03A4 or the #4(T). You have seen both.....
Will do some test hopefully over w/e.

Yes, I agree and strongly believe the Brits had the best sniper and combat rifle altogether although the '03s have a tendancy for superb precision

Too bad we're not shooting at same club.

ciao,

cd
 
The No4T was the best sniper rifle system from when it debuted in 1941 well into the 1960's.

Repeatable click adjustable windage and elevation turrets, accurately cammed for the issued cartridge to 1000yards.

The No32MkI scopes are cammed 2moa windage, 50 yard elevation from 100 to 1000 yards.

By early 1943, the No32mkIA, MkII, MkII/1 and Mk3 family varients are all windage and elevation adjustable in repeatable 1MOA clicks from 100 through 1000 yards.

Many (most??) issued sniper scopes into the 1970's could not truthfully claim that.
 
The No4T was the best sniper rifle system from when it debuted in 1941 well into the 1960's.

Repeatable click adjustable windage and elevation turrets, accurately cammed for the issued cartridge to 1000yards.

The No32MkI scopes are cammed 2moa windage, 50 yard elevation from 100 to 1000 yards.

By early 1943, the No32mkIA, MkII, MkII/1 and Mk3 family varients are all windage and elevation adjustable in repeatable 1MOA clicks from 100 through 1000 yards.

Many (most??) issued sniper scopes into the 1970's could not truthfully claim that.


One very nice feature to add to the credit of the MK3 is that small ring on the elevation cam that can be turned easily with a pointed object to reset your zero setting with the actual elevation.
love it.
My scope was refurbished in a splendid fashion by Peter Laidler. The original dials were caked and the front tube portion was vert de gris coated. Came back like a new condition scope.
Thank you Peter and brian #### for the logistics involved.

BB
 
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