Enfield versus Lee Enfield

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Grumpy old guy Wednesday afternoon "rant". Misleading names used often - EE, Stickies, etc. Let's get it correct!! There are Lee Enfields, and there are Enfields. Not even close to being the same thing - Lee Enfields, such as No.1, No. 4 and No. 5, have two piece stock, etc. and almost all were chambered in 303 British when issued. "Enfield's", apparently, is the name used for the Pattern 1913 (aka P13 - chambered in 276 Enfield), Pattern 1914 (aka P14 - chambered in 303 British) and U.S. Model of 1917 (aka M1917 - chambered in 30-06) - one piece stock, a very few external parts interchangeable with No. 1 Lee Enfield. The U.S. Model of 1917 is/was often referred to as a "P17" - apparently even used within the production facilities during WWI, but not considered to be the "correct" name. There. I feel better...
 
Hi Pot. I have an experimental British percussion musket made during the time of William IV - so about 1834-35.
The back action lock is engraved Royal Manufactory Enfield. Is this the first Enfield? JOHN
 
Welcome to the Enfield world, Been around for a long time. Can be mind boggling, but nothing that a couple of shots of Scotch can't fix, then run out and get one. WARNING you can't stop at just one, its kind of a disease, you have to have at least one of each.
 
xsniper said:
Welcome to the Enfield world, Been around for a long time. Can be mind boggling, but nothing that a couple of shots of Scotch can't fix, then run out and get one. WARNING you can't stop at just one, its kind of a disease, you have to have at least one of each.
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Damn right, no way I’d stop at one scotch :cheers:
 
xsniper said:
Welcome to the Enfield world, Been around for a long time. Can be mind boggling, but nothing that a couple of shots of Scotch can't fix, then run out and get one. WARNING you can't stop at just one, its kind of a disease, you have to have at least one of each.
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You mean "Lee Enfield world"? :) What about the long lee?
 
a Lee Enfield/Metford is a James Paris Lee designed action with either an Metford or Enfield rifled barrel a p14 or p17 Enfield is biased on a Mauser action.

the brits used the name of the action first and the name of the barrel last while naming things Snider Enfield's Jacob Snider invented the action and they used p1853 enfield rifled musket barrels. martini henry's used a Friedrich von Martini designed action and a henry rifled barrel(Alexander Henry) when converted to .303 these could be called martini metfords or martini Enfield's depending on what rifling was used in the barrel.
 
jtaylor said:
Hi Pot. I have an experimental British percussion musket made during the time of William IV - so about 1834-35.
The back action lock is engraved Royal Manufactory Enfield. Is this the first Enfield? JOHN
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I do not know, but found this on the Internet:

A BRIEF HISTORY OF LEE-ENFIELD RIFLES

The Early Rifles from Enfield

The "Enfield" in Lee-Enfield refers to the town of Enfield on the northern outskirts of London, where a government arms works was established in 1804 to assemble "Brown Bess" flintlock muskets. The first rifle to bear the Enfield name, however, was the Enfield Rifle of 1853.
 
louthepou said:
Let's not forget the Enfield revolvers!

And, how about my Enfield Sniders? And my Martini Enfield?
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lou you have a Martini Enfield


oh and lets not forget the Lee Medfords and Lee Enfield Carbines, Lee Medford Carbines,

However I do not agree with applying the name Enfield to the Patt'n 14 or Model 17 rifles that just not correct. :)
 
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