i am a newly minted cfsc instructor and I have an old enfield no.4 mk1 im thinking of using for the course but to use it I have to basicly destroy it ( the receiver and breach have to be slotted the firing pin removed and the hole drilled out) I know basiclly nothing about enfields does anyone know if any of these enfields are worth anything to someone there is a Y1 1943a BE stamped on the trigger guard clamp and a the stock isn't full lengh i assumed it was sporterized. i hate to wreck any firearm and if i find out after I due this that someone could make something useful out of it i'll be choked .thank you in advance
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Deltasilver
Regular
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- Right behind you...
If the forend was shortened but the barrel length/sights un molested, it could be a candidate for restoration. Post a pic or two if you can - most of the interesting bits are stamped on or around the receiver.
The police should be able to give you a whole pile of rifles for the course. They are certainly destroying enough of them these days.
I had to challenge the silly exam because my Army training PLUS SFC Firearms Safety Instructor's rating (good enough for the Olympic Committee and for the FIT) weren't enough to qualify me for an FAC. The stuff they had there, completely destroyed, would have made you cry. And it all was confiscated, wrecked and donated by the Government.
You don't have to destroy your rifle, friend.
If you don't want it, find it a home. Lots of guys here looking for one.
I had to challenge the silly exam because my Army training PLUS SFC Firearms Safety Instructor's rating (good enough for the Olympic Committee and for the FIT) weren't enough to qualify me for an FAC. The stuff they had there, completely destroyed, would have made you cry. And it all was confiscated, wrecked and donated by the Government.
You don't have to destroy your rifle, friend.
If you don't want it, find it a home. Lots of guys here looking for one.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The problem with deactivating the firearm means you will no longer be able to properly show load and unload drills, chambering and make safe. You are better off not vandalizing any live firearms, and just putting an assortment of dummy rounds in your pocket.
I taught my classes with an SKS, a hinge 12ga, a Win 1300 and a Cooey .22.
I taught my classes with an SKS, a hinge 12ga, a Win 1300 and a Cooey .22.
What they had here included such 'junk' as a beautiful Parker-Hale Mauser in .243 (a better and more modern rifle than anything I have ever been able to afford) with the boltface welded solid, the firing-pin snapped off and big slots milled into the receiver and barrel. It was half way to being a 'cutaway' but I nearly failed the course because when you are holding this thing and you are handed a drill round, you have to remove the bolt and check that the bore is clear..... and you are supposed to do that with every single firearm you are ever handed. Try it with your buddy, out hunting with an SKS and an AG42B: you'll have the whole darned forest filled with spare parts!
What really sickened me about it was all the 'political correctness' and the cutesy slogans that have nothing at all to do with firearms safety: pure brainwashing and social conditioning. And I keep seeing the same guff repeated here.
Canada ever gets into a war, everybody will be so busy checking their bores for obstructions that the war will be over before anybody can load!
But they do have heaps of them. Destroyed here in this town was a 1915 London Small Arms SMLE..... and anyone here can tell you how scarce they are. Believe me, they're getting a lot scarcer.
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Having supper tonight with a buddy who hates computers almost as much as I do (he's a computer tech) and we came up with a question. Suppose the gun registry computer had a massive brain-phart and wiped its memory totally.... and there was no paperwork because it all has been burned. How many people would re-register their toys, knowing what they know now?
Hey! A two-and-a-half-billion dollar registry..... for six guns?
What really sickened me about it was all the 'political correctness' and the cutesy slogans that have nothing at all to do with firearms safety: pure brainwashing and social conditioning. And I keep seeing the same guff repeated here.
Canada ever gets into a war, everybody will be so busy checking their bores for obstructions that the war will be over before anybody can load!
But they do have heaps of them. Destroyed here in this town was a 1915 London Small Arms SMLE..... and anyone here can tell you how scarce they are. Believe me, they're getting a lot scarcer.
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Having supper tonight with a buddy who hates computers almost as much as I do (he's a computer tech) and we came up with a question. Suppose the gun registry computer had a massive brain-phart and wiped its memory totally.... and there was no paperwork because it all has been burned. How many people would re-register their toys, knowing what they know now?
Hey! A two-and-a-half-billion dollar registry..... for six guns?
Maybe things are done differently in B.C., but in Ontario the firearms used in the CFSC must be "disabled". This means the firing pin must be removed or cut back far enough to not be able to fire and, if only shortened, the firing pin hole has to be welded. For the sporterized No. 1 Lee Enfield that I use for the course, I changed the firing pin to a short .22 version and put the centre fire bolt head back on it. We don't have to do any other butchering to the firearm. We also have to use dummy ammo (either factory produced or painted with Smurf blue paint) and the firearms have to be able to cycle rounds.
when i was approved to be an instructor I had to sign a letter stating that I would only do the course or challenges with firearms altered to their spec
of which the state the firing pin must be removed the hole drilled out to 1/4"
the receiver and breach must have a 1/4 slot milled in them 1.5-3" long
so removal of the barrel will destroy the receiver the worst part is I have to take a brand new single action revolver (the cheapest one i could find)
and cut slot in each chamber of the cylinder and then cut the top strap grind the hammer back so it can never be used again. i may have to go off work on stress leave
of which the state the firing pin must be removed the hole drilled out to 1/4"
the receiver and breach must have a 1/4 slot milled in them 1.5-3" long
so removal of the barrel will destroy the receiver the worst part is I have to take a brand new single action revolver (the cheapest one i could find)
and cut slot in each chamber of the cylinder and then cut the top strap grind the hammer back so it can never be used again. i may have to go off work on stress leave
What a shock, the gun grabbers are now dictating how CFSC instructors must have their instructional firearms.
"You can teach the safety course but you have to sell your soul and help us destroy more guns in order to do it."
Forty4Forty
Regular
- Location
- Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
This whole thing is what as delayed/stopped me going on my own, cant afford to destroy a good gun, and don't want to, so have nothing to teach with, if one can just remove the Pin that would work. I also believe due to political correctness the police no loner supply guns for training, so we end up in a catch 22, need guns for training but cant get them.
Trying to connect with someone in Saskatoon to train with, anyone on the board drop me a PM if you need.
Trying to connect with someone in Saskatoon to train with, anyone on the board drop me a PM if you need.
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
If you can find an L59A1, that was the only issue No4 the Brits purposely turned into a non functioning rifle. section cut out of chamber, section cut out of the reciever where the bolt lug rested and of course a buggered firing pin.
Yes, there were DP rifles, but the L59A1 is a different thing.
Yes, there were DP rifles, but the L59A1 is a different thing.
- Location
- Manitoulin Island
I have a bubba #4 I use for CFSC, that I have shortened the firing pin on. A friend has totally removed his, but that also removes the cocking piece and you can't show how the half #### safety works. This is all driven by insurance, since you have to carry 2million in liablility insurance. Insurance companies like to collect premiums but not to pay claims. Apparently there have been situations where live rounds have been sneaked into courses. We are no longer allowed to have dummy rounds with expended primers and the primer holes have to be filled in with blue coloured silicone or whatever. We have to paint the bullets with blue fingernail polish, and you can imagine how long that lasts. They are starting to supply dummy (I prefer the word inactive) cartridges that are made out of coloured aluminum or plastic. The aluminum ones only last for acouple of courses before the extractors cut through the rim. The dummy shotshells don't display any primer pocket, so students confuse them with rimfire ammo. The older .22 cartridges used to have a hole drilled in the head, so students confused them with centrefire.
It sounds like your provincial regulations are even more anal. I think that inactive ammuniton should resemble real ammunition while being distingushable from the real thing.
It sounds like your provincial regulations are even more anal. I think that inactive ammuniton should resemble real ammunition while being distingushable from the real thing.
