Entering the precision rifle realm
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One of the disadvantages of the Savage action for Precision is that it has a slow lock-time because of greater mass of the firing mechanism. This really shows itself in the moving targets matches. When it comes to the 400m walking man match, my regular shooting partner who shoots a Savage in the same caliber needs to lead the targets a lot more than I do with my Winchester action, and an irregular-paced walker seems to be more likely to result in a miss. I haven't used a Remington (yet 
), but I assume it is also better than the Savage.
), but I assume it is also better than the Savage.
One of the disadvantages of the Savage action for Precision is that it has a slow lock-time because of greater mass of the firing mechanism. This really shows itself in the moving targets matches. When it comes to the 400m walking man match, my regular shooting partner who shoots a Savage in the same caliber needs to lead the targets a lot more than I do with my Winchester action, and an irregular-paced walker seems to be more likely to result in a miss. I haven't used a Remington (yet
How can you be sure this is due to lock time?
How have you eliminated other variables like his load, his shooting skill, his reflexes, etc?
Buy what you like, plan on reloading sooner than later to get the best accuracy out of your gun. Buy once and cry once for glass you'll thank yourself in the end. Don't be scared of buying a Remington at all I shoot a lot of Remington's and as long as you follow safe loading practice you'll never have an issue. And as far as factory ammo you'll never have to worry about that either as far as a failure. Good luck with your quest, and don't get discouraged by some of the negative ppl.
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- Jameson, SK
Since when does the choice of the military necessarily = good?
For instance, the northern rangers get T3's, but they're made by Colt Canada, at a cost of 4x more than they should be. Does that make the Coltikka T3 good? I guarantee it's no better than the Tikka T3. What it does is pull Colt Canada out of bankruptcy, again.
-J.
For instance, the northern rangers get T3's, but they're made by Colt Canada, at a cost of 4x more than they should be. Does that make the Coltikka T3 good? I guarantee it's no better than the Tikka T3. What it does is pull Colt Canada out of bankruptcy, again.
-J.
I was also looking at a Savage model 10 similar to the TR but with an 18" barrel (model 10 P-SR). Was doing a bit of reading and saw a recomendation to get shorter and stiffer barrels rather than longer barrels of the same stiffness. Guess it makes sense since the longer barrel would extrapolate the small amount of deformation a barrel goes through when firing.
Either way, I wouldn't mind good glass but I can't sink $3k into everything at once. I agree buying used is, by far, the way to go.
I really appreciate all of the good information. Positive or negative, everything has been informative.
Either way, I wouldn't mind good glass but I can't sink $3k into everything at once. I agree buying used is, by far, the way to go.
I really appreciate all of the good information. Positive or negative, everything has been informative.
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I've been using Winchester brass this season and 4 loads in, I've had to cull some. One match in the rain put a batch on a short list with several not making another loading. Next year when the Winchester brass runs out I will make the switch to Lapua brass and I expect the case life to get much better.
Load has been posted once before in a thread further down asking about changing from 308 to 260. I'd prefer not to advertise it too much as my throat was cut specifically for my use and I'd hate to see someone copy it without a load up. If your genuinely interested, drop me a pm.
I find that the lapua brass is so much thicker and harder than federal or rp or lc.
Buy only Lapua brass but if freebies like FC, WIN, Rem comes along more than happy to do the full prep (10+ steps) on them that produces quality brass.
Find the weight sorted, neck turned, full prep North American brass perform on par with Lapua.
Find the weight sorted, neck turned, full prep North American brass perform on par with Lapua.
Lock time is a delay. Mechanical lock time is the delay between the trigger being pulled and the shot being fired. Shooter lock time is the delay between your brain deciding to pull the trigger and your finger actually doing it. When trapping a moving target, overall lock time needs to be considered since the target advances during the overall lock time and during the time the bullet is flying to the target. When tracking a moving target only the flight time comes into play.
5R is a rifling type. Explanation in this article:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/10/07/custom-6xc-precision-rifle-build/
5R is a rifling type. Explanation in this article:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/10/07/custom-6xc-precision-rifle-build/
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- Summerland, BC
If you dig in some old Rifle mags, there was a test of lock times of modern receivers using real lab testing gear.
End result... the Savage used in the test was faster then the Rem 700 used in the test. Did it matter? No, the difference was so small there is no human or ammo that would care.
We are talking in the millisecond range.
And if you really want to do some research, you will find work done by Mr. Mauser on lock time and why the M98 was built with a "slow" lock time. All very interesting.
As for the 5R, you will really like the work done in the UK post WWI and by Springfield in the US. Was anything superior to the other? We know that the Brits made a whole lot of 2 groove Lee Enfields.
For a more current thought, see the Krieger site for their views on the 5R voodoo.
Wonder what rifling style was used in the Krieger barreled 1000yd US National winning rifle of a few weeks ago?
But if any of this makes you feel more confident in the ability to execute a shot or hit that target... by all means. "All in the brain" has a huge role in the success of shooting.
YMMV.
Jerry
End result... the Savage used in the test was faster then the Rem 700 used in the test. Did it matter? No, the difference was so small there is no human or ammo that would care.
We are talking in the millisecond range.
And if you really want to do some research, you will find work done by Mr. Mauser on lock time and why the M98 was built with a "slow" lock time. All very interesting.
As for the 5R, you will really like the work done in the UK post WWI and by Springfield in the US. Was anything superior to the other? We know that the Brits made a whole lot of 2 groove Lee Enfields.
For a more current thought, see the Krieger site for their views on the 5R voodoo.
Wonder what rifling style was used in the Krieger barreled 1000yd US National winning rifle of a few weeks ago?
But if any of this makes you feel more confident in the ability to execute a shot or hit that target... by all means. "All in the brain" has a huge role in the success of shooting.
YMMV.
Jerry
Get a remmy, nothing wrong with that. Get a smith to true it, put a good pipe on it (Rock Creek/Shillin/ect) puth a better stock on it, bedd it, and proper glass. Lots of work, yea, but if you want a great F class contender, make it one. Im making a M40 replica right now, thing shoots very nicely at 600m, and thats in a crappy houge stock I have on it untill I make up my mind.
That's what i'm doing right now. I'm having a .260 rem being built. Using a trued rem action, Badger bottom metal, M40 McMillian sniper filled stock, trying a B7 barrel out of Quebec (heard a lot of good things). Now i'm at a cross roads with the trigger. Stuck between a Jewel or Trigger tech. As well I have a Night Force. Looking forward to putting it through it paces. As for the bullets I will be using will be JLK 130's, they worked great out of my 6.5 X 47.
