Entry level 223 Precision rifle

Would an American ranch be suitable for prs matches?

It might be, it has a 1:8 twist which should stabilize 77gr SMK bullets. These 77gr bullets work well at longer ranges in the .223/5.56x45 though I've only shot .308/7.62x51 for PRS type competition. I haven't had a chance to play with my Ruger Ranch AR in 5.56 yet, only just bought it a couple of weeks ago.
 
Take a look at the Savage 10T-SR, from Cabela's. Multiple options for calibre, and .223 is available with a 24 inch barrel. Comes with a 20MOA rail, and a threaded muzzle (.223 is 1/2-28).

The 10T-SR is very much an entry level option at a reasonable price, and it goes on sale fairly regularly at Cabela's - the last time being late February/early March. For a "cheap" rifle, they punch well above their weight class.

+1 on the 10T-SR, a few of us bought these when Cabelas had them on sale for $629 and they can’t be beat for the price
They are very accurate, my buddy can put all 5 rounds into one ragged hole with his with handloads
The plastic stock looks cheap but it has an aluminum chassis built in to it so it is very solid
I’m thinking of getting another one in 6mm creedmore when they go on sale again
 
Tikka is probably the best budget rifle to start off for PRS. It's a very well built action/rifle, build quality is higher then Rem and Savage for example. They are very good shooters, and the aftermarket support is exploding right now. It's a very good platform that is upgradable to adapt and evolve with you.

PRS/NRL is a discipline that is more demanding on reliability then other shooting disciplines. Shooting in really adverse conditions over 2 days can really wear on your equipment, and failures are common. It's why PRS/NRL rifles are built very robustly, and for that reason I would not recommend a Savage. Build quality and reliability is low.

There's lots of aftermarket support for Remington, but the build quality has gone down and down over the decades as new ownership is focusing on profit margins over product quality. For those reasons, the value isn't there for starting with a Remington. Supposedly the quality of 783's is a bit higher according to some on here (I've never heard that information corroborated, so I'll have to take that at face value), but the aftermarket support is severely lacking.

For me, I would look for a rifle that shoots well out of the box, with good build quality, and lots of aftermarket support so that the rifle can adapt and evolve with you as a shooter. There's no better option to accomplish this on a budget then a Tikka.
 
Tikka is probably the best budget rifle to start off for PRS. It's a very well built action/rifle, build quality is higher then Rem and Savage for example. They are very good shooters, and the aftermarket support is exploding right now. It's a very good platform that is upgradable to adapt and evolve with you.

PRS/NRL is a discipline that is more demanding on reliability then other shooting disciplines. Shooting in really adverse conditions over 2 days can really wear on your equipment, and failures are common. It's why PRS/NRL rifles are built very robustly, and for that reason I would not recommend a Savage. Build quality and reliability is low.

There's lots of aftermarket support for Remington, but the build quality has gone down and down over the decades as new ownership is focusing on profit margins over product quality. For those reasons, the value isn't there for starting with a Remington. Supposedly the quality of 783's is a bit higher according to some on here (I've never heard that information corroborated, so I'll have to take that at face value), but the aftermarket support is severely lacking.

For me, I would look for a rifle that shoots well out of the box, with good build quality, and lots of aftermarket support so that the rifle can adapt and evolve with you as a shooter. There's no better option to accomplish this on a budget then a Tikka.

The Tikka point raises the question, which Tikka line are you referring to? Because some of their rifles cost nearly as much as a custom gunsmith rifle in a premium chassis.
 
Lots to choose from in .223....for those ranges but don’t overlook the varmint models either. Typically the varmint have a little slower twist for the lighter projectiles but will shoot awesome at those ranges.

I’m a Remington guy so good choices are (and they all have good stocks to start with);
- 700 Police 1:9
-700 Police LTR (20”) 1:9
-700 Mil Spec 1:9
-Long Range Tactical 1:9
-700 VS, VSF, VSSF Varmint models 1:12
-SPS Tactical or SPS Varmint, but both will need the stock upgraded.

Tikka is good or a real beauty is the Sako Varmint.

Do you (or anyone else) have any opinions on the Magpul Hunter stock for the M700 SPS Varmint?
 
The Tikka point raises the question, which Tikka line are you referring to? Because some of their rifles cost nearly as much as a custom gunsmith rifle in a premium chassis.

At the end of the day, the action is what you want.

If it was me, I would buy the cheapest Tikka I could find, and put it in a KRG Bravo
 
I had a great time yesterday ringing steel at 1300m with my ctr. Only mods are trigger spring and mdt chassis. Phenomenal rifle.
 
Yeah that looks like a good option too. Sold my cz 223 carbine. The long heavy barrel version looks like a great option. They are nice factory rifles
 
Would an American ranch be suitable for prs matches?

It would be suitable to shoot bullets in a PRS match. You would not be competitive with it.

What's the best barrel twist for the 55gr FMJ bullets?

Probably doesnt matter that much. Standard 55gr bullets in a mass produced factory load aren't going to be accurate enough for twist rate to matter much.

Lets put it this way. When you get bored shooting inaccurate 55 gr bullets, whats the bullets you are going to want to shoot next, and what will the best twist rate for those bullets be. Answer: 1:8 or faster.

Personally, I've been looking for a sub low caliber training for PRS match practice. For matches themselves limited to only factory guns, I think you either need a 6.5 or a .308. Only a very custom .223 would be competitive.

I've yet to see a factory gun in .223 meet the basic minimum requirements, and the closest match I've seen is the Tikka Tactical.

Twist 1:8 or faster, ideally, 1:7.
Barrel, 24" minimum, ideally 26".
Detachable Mag with 10+ minimum capacity, ideally uses AR Mags.
Under 10 lbs. Ideally under 8 lbs.
Readily available oversized bolt knob upgrade. Ideally oversized bolt included.
THreaded for muzzle brake. Ideally with removeable muzzle brake included.
Adjustable cheek height and LOP. Ideally with readily adjustable 6 way stock.
Matte Black, ideally some colour other than black, but definitely not stainless.
Sub MOA accuracy. Ideally sub Half-MOA accuracy.

There are a couple barreled actions that would meet most of these requirements if you put them in any of the good chassis systems out there, except for maybe the weight.

Any factory gun that met all the minimum requirements would be hundreds of dollars cheaper then buying a gun with the right barreled action and putting it in a stock.

I honestly don't care what it would cost as a factory gun, because not having the hassle of going custom would still be cheaper.

OH, and in a perfect world I'd buy it off the EE used, BNIB unfired condition for half of retail... lol.

Every time a new .223 precision gun comes out it seems to be close, but not quite. The savage Axis II precision for example., but the barrel is too short, and its unclear if the oversize bolt knobs for the model 10 fit on the Axis. Big of a goldilocks problem. The Mossberg MVP -LR or Precision would probably be as good as it gets, were it not for the fact that its a Mossberg, and for some inexplicable reason went with .224 Valkyrie instead of 5.56mm
 
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It would be suitable to shoot bullets in a PRS match. You would not be competitive with it.



Probably doesnt matter that much. Standard 55gr bullets in a mass produced factory load aren't going to be accurate enough for twist rate to matter much.

Lets put it this way. When you get bored shooting inaccurate 55 gr bullets, whats the bullets you are going to want to shoot next, and what will the best twist rate for those bullets be. Answer: 1:8 or faster.

Personally, I've been looking for a sub low caliber training for PRS match practice. For matches themselves limited to only factory guns, I think you either need a 6.5 or a .308. Only a very custom .223 would be competitive.

I've yet to see a factory gun in .223 meet the basic minimum requirements, and the closest match I've seen is the Tikka Tactical.

Twist 1:8 or faster, ideally, 1:7.
Barrel, 24" minimum, ideally 26".
Detachable Mag with 10+ minimum capacity, ideally uses AR Mags.
Under 10 lbs. Ideally under 8 lbs.
Readily available oversized bolt knob upgrade. Ideally oversized bolt included.
THreaded for muzzle brake. Ideally with removeable muzzle brake included.
Adjustable cheek height and LOP. Ideally with readily adjustable 6 way stock.
Matte Black, ideally some colour other than black, but definitely not stainless.
Sub MOA accuracy. Ideally sub Half-MOA accuracy.

There are a couple barreled actions that would meet most of these requirements if you put them in any of the good chassis systems out there, except for maybe the weight.

Any factory gun that met all the minimum requirements would be hundreds of dollars cheaper then buying a gun with the right barreled action and putting it in a stock.

I honestly don't care what it would cost as a factory gun, because not having the hassle of going custom would still be cheaper.

OH, and in a perfect world I'd buy it off the EE used, BNIB unfired condition for half of retail... lol.

Every time a new .223 precision gun comes out it seems to be close, but not quite. The savage Axis II precision for example., but the barrel is too short, and its unclear if the oversize bolt knobs for the model 10 fit on the Axis. Big of a goldilocks problem. The Mossberg MVP -LR or Precision would probably be as good as it gets, were it not for the fact that its a Mossberg, and for some inexplicable reason went with .224 Valkyrie instead of 5.56mm

I have 308 20” stainless, and looking for a 223rem 20” stainless, why would not recommend these specs, just getting started in the sport, thanks
 
I have 308 20” stainless, and looking for a 223rem 20” stainless, why would not recommend these specs, just getting started in the sport, thanks

Stainless is purely for aesthetic reasons. Stainless is a perfectly reasonable choice.

Barrel length, particularly inadequate barrel length, leaves you handicapped in longer range applications.

When you look at the guys who win PR competitions at anything passed 300 M, pretty much no one is running a short barrel.
 
I found out about this rifle offering yesterday. I would be interested in hearing the discussion on it. On paper, it has literally every possible feature you could want in a PRS-style 223 bolt gun. Best chassis on market, along with AICS mags, brake, 26" barrel, 7" twist. Price is maybe a bit high at $2330, but the chassis alone is about $1200 of the price.

http://www.bullseyelondon.com/savag...rrel-mdt-acc-chassis-cerakote-grey-57555.html
 
Gobigtactical might have something with a better action that is under 3000$. Thought I seen some offerings in that price range. A Bighorn origin or defiance tenacity action in a krg bravo chassis would be plenty nice and be nicer than the factory actions. I’d look into that
 
If you are willing to spend $2400 on a rifle you should be looking at a whole pile of options besides Savage.

Anschutz makes the 1771 which comes in at $2400 from Nordic Marksman including a picatinny rail.

PGW is now making .223 precision bolt action rifles on a Rem 700 clone action.. Price point is just under $3000 for the M15 XRS.

Another option at the $2K and above range is to build your own custom if you are willing to go with some used components. You can pick up everything you need off the equipment exchange and have a precision rig built just for you.

Or, if it's still available Hungry aka Tactical Teacher has a turnkey .223 Rem 20" barreled SPS for sale in the EE which is everything you could ask for as an entry level rifle.

So many better choices than a Savage.
 
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I found out about this rifle offering yesterday. I would be interested in hearing the discussion on it. On paper, it has literally every possible feature you could want in a PRS-style 223 bolt gun. Best chassis on market, along with AICS mags, brake, 26" barrel, 7" twist. Price is maybe a bit high at $2330, but the chassis alone is about $1200 of the price.

http://www.bullseyelondon.com/savag...rrel-mdt-acc-chassis-cerakote-grey-57555.html


It's on sale tonight, so I'll guess I'll find out the hard way how it compares to the Ruger Precision Rifle, both in 223. Tough work but someone's gotta do it.
 
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