Entry level IPSC Gun

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Hi all,

I am interested in getting an entry level gun for IPSC production. Thinking about a CZ75B, CZ85B in 9mm or even a CZ97B 45ACP. I mention the CZ97B because I have a 1911A1 and I am set up to reload for 45ACP.
Would the CZ97B be too much to handle for IPSC shooting . . . as a beginner?

Any suggestions?
 
Well, why not shoot your 1911 in standard division? But if you want to shoot production division I would not recommend .45. I would expect that you would have some reliability issues if you dowloaded very much and shooting full power .45 in production division would be quite a handicap. The whole division is scored minor so you would be running against 9 mm and downloaded .40's.
The cz's are good guns but work better the more they are shot. If you plan to be an occassional shooter then a glock might be a better choice, reliable, consistent if not great trigger, no controls, so no learning curve.
 
I shoot a CZ 75-B 9mm for production.and i love the gun best blast for your buck i also have the CZ 97 45cal which is a nother good gun to shoot . I shoot both guns for ipsc but like one member said using 45cal in production. class is a bit of an over kill when your shooting against 9mm. But if your just out there wanting to have fun then if you like 45 use it
 
FN said:
buy a Glock 17 and be done with it
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A Glock is not a one size fits all gun. I shoot much better with a CZ than I ever did with a Glock. Hogleg, since you already own a 1911, shoot in standard and have fun.
 
what reason are you shooting IPSC? is it to get competitve later on? or just for fun..

if it's for fun, then heck, us the 1911 and go to town ;) ;) ;)

if you want to get competitve, and start the gun game early, then fingure out what division you eventually want to get into (standard, production, open) and start with a gun in the division. you can either start with a "basic" and then once you shot it enough, go to a higher end gun. or start with something you can tweak over time (in standard, as you can't to many changes in production (well you can with an SP01, but thats a different story.)
 
Back when I started shooting IPSC, (step into my TARDIS), I also took that advice and bought a CZ-75. A Glock 17 is also not a terrible suggestion, I would suggest trying both out and see which one you prefer.

I have to say I did end up regretting buying that CZ-75, the slide release constantly broke and it was very loose, but bear in mind this was back when Czechoslovakia was, er, Czechoslovakia and was in the Warsaw Pact. :lol:

I do tend to think you might find you like the SIG-Sauer P226 though.
 
Well thanks for the advice . . . I was not aware that I could use the 1911 for IPSC . . . really. I have been looking online and trying to see what guns are used and it appeared to me that an IPSC gun needed to be DA-SA, shows how much I know eh? I really like my 1911 and would use it if I can.
To answer ckc123's question, and ipsc1's suggestion, I initally would be getting into the sport just for fun and of course improving my skills . . . something a little more than just shooting at paper for an hour or two.
What I will do is find out more info from the club I just joined (GRGC), go out to one of the club matches and see what its all about.
Still, every shooter should have a 9mm :D

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#1 The gun has to fit your hand.
#2 Major and minor power factors will become a consideration when you get good enough to win matches. Until then, perfect your shooting and tactics.
#3 .45 has a snap that will slow getting back on aim.

Personally, I dislike the grip angle on the M1911. Twenty-five years later he perfected the 9mm HP. Designers learn alot in a quarter century.
 
1911s rule in IPSC Standard Division, also known as Limited in the USA, or Dinosaur Division if you are trying to annoy people. :p

IPSC Production Division is the home of the double action and striker fired guns, no 1911 or other single action variants are allowed.

You'll probably see more posts about production guns because the rules only allow minimal changes, so it's easy to say "Honey, this one isn't good enough now that the new varant of xyz is out, so I have to buy another gun".

Basic check for wether the gun works for you:

a) Ask permission to dry fire it. Pick it up. Clear it. Pick a target on the wall. Close your eyes and bring the gun up on aim. Open your eyes. If the sights line up, then the gun naturally points for you. If not, then try another gun.

b) Clear it again. while on aim, squeeze the trigger. Do the sights hold steady or jerk around? Is the trigger stroke easy? can you pull it all the way through using just the first pad of your trigger finger?

c) If all of the above is good, with finger off the trigger, operate the mag release with your strong hand thumb. Can you reach it? does it depress fully? Does the mag drop free? If this is all good,

c) Look through the sights again. Can you see around the front sight, especially when on aim at a distant target?

d) Is it on the IPSC list of approved production guns available at www.ipsc.org ?

If all of the above check out, then it should be good to go.

OR

Damn! That looks great, I'll take it. Followed by Damn! That looks great.....

My first Production pistol was a Glock 17. Followed by Beretta 96, Beretta Elite II, Glock 19 and another Beretta 92FS. I still compete with the original Glock 17.

As an entry level IPSC Standard gun, get a Bul M5 from Marstar. I love mine.
 
hogleg said:
Well thanks for the advice . . . I was not aware that I could use the 1911 for IPSC . . . really.
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I would say that about 80% of shooters are running with a Glock or a 1911 in standard. CZ and Glock seem to rule in production. In my humble opinion the gun choice does not really matter starting out. Run what you brung. I have and compete with a 1942 1911A1. Should belong in a museum but its what I have and it works well. In my case the limiting factor is the shooter not the gun.
 
You've already got the ideal basic IPSC pistol and you're already set up to load ammo for it!
Get yourself out to a real IPSC match and take note that the shooters at the top of the results lists in Open and Standard divisions (where you don't have to pick your firearm from a short list) are overwhelmingly using firearms based on the 1911 platform!

Of course, if you just need to buy a new gun, flail away.
 
FN said:
buy a Glock 17 and be done with it
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Exactly, get proficient with a "real" gun. Don't get sucked into using a "phony" gun just to cater to IPSC's arcane scoring method.

You can also use the G17 in IDPA. and PPC

You can use the G17 with a .22lr slide in bullseye also.
You won't will Bullseye, or PPC but you'll get very good with a "real" handgun.

The guns "designed" for the various "games" are good for pushing the rules of those games to the limits, but if you are good with a Glock .... you're a real man IMHO.
 
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:rolleyes: Funny how a guy at the PG match won an open stage and was 4th over all in open with a prod gun (G22). (he got bumped due to trigger issues)
 
hogleg said:
Well thanks for the advice . . . I was not aware that I could use the 1911 for IPSC . . . really. I have been looking online and trying to see what guns are used and it appeared to me that an IPSC gun needed to be DA-SA, shows how much I know eh? I really like my 1911 and would use it if I can.
To answer ckc123's question, and ipsc1's suggestion, I initally would be getting into the sport just for fun and of course improving my skills . . . something a little more than just shooting at paper for an hour or two.
What I will do is find out more info from the club I just joined (GRGC), go out to one of the club matches and see what its all about.
Still, every shooter should have a 9mm :D

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It would be valuable for you to share your experiences as a beginner with those of us who are also about to try IPSC or PPC. How about updates as you go?
Mike
 
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