EoTech won't work!
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jaycee said:
+1. The 4 MOA dot on the COMP M/ML's was designed to aid the shooter in quickly acquiring and hitting a man-sized target out to 300 m with rapid succession. And that it does. For precise range work you have a wide variety of magnified telescopes.
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C'mon..... 
I don't think anyone in this discussion is confusing a holosight with a 'benchrest scope'. We're talking about two different applications of the holosights (Aimpoint and EOTech) on rifles here...killing people or killing paper.
The 1MOA dot of an EOTech certainly helps get all the rounds into the (approx) 6"x12" A-Zone scoring area of an IPSC Classic Target at 100 yards when shooting prone, kneeling or standing. To "hit" a man-sized target (a Fig11 or Fig12) at 100 yards is hardly a job that requires an (unmagnified) holosight....iron sights were always plenty good enough.
Personally, I use an EOTech because it's God's Gift to old eyes for gun games. Would I stake my life on the reliability of ANY electronic sight? Nope....I would go with iron sights.
I don't think anyone in this discussion is confusing a holosight with a 'benchrest scope'. We're talking about two different applications of the holosights (Aimpoint and EOTech) on rifles here...killing people or killing paper.The 1MOA dot of an EOTech certainly helps get all the rounds into the (approx) 6"x12" A-Zone scoring area of an IPSC Classic Target at 100 yards when shooting prone, kneeling or standing. To "hit" a man-sized target (a Fig11 or Fig12) at 100 yards is hardly a job that requires an (unmagnified) holosight....iron sights were always plenty good enough.
Personally, I use an EOTech because it's God's Gift to old eyes for gun games. Would I stake my life on the reliability of ANY electronic sight? Nope....I would go with iron sights.
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Sorry to hijack...but I am a newbie to optics.....I have a tasco 5 MOA But I cant see the dot in bright sunlight I dont really understand the MOA thing I am shooting 30 yards and under. Hope someone can clear this up for me.
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waynesixgun said:
Wayne,
MOA is an abbreviation for Minute of Angle. 1 MOA is equivalent to 1 inch at 100yds. A 5 MOA dot would completely cover a 5 inch circle at 100 yds, 2 1/2 inch at 50 yds, 10 inch at 200 yds, etc.
Have you turned the brightness up all the way on your Tasco? It may not have enough adjustment for bright sunlight. Sights like the Eotech and Aimpoint have settings appropriate for all light conditions.
The biggest problem with the less expensive "red dot" sights is that the dot will disappear in bright sunlight, or when applied to a light-coloured target, even when turned up to max brightness.
What rifle do you have the Tasco mounted on?
(Very) simply put, 1MOA (one minute of angle) represents 1" on the target at 100 yards. So when folks lie about their guns shooting 1MOA, they are claiming 1" groups at 100 yards.
What rifle do you have the Tasco mounted on?
(Very) simply put, 1MOA (one minute of angle) represents 1" on the target at 100 yards. So when folks lie about their guns shooting 1MOA,
they are claiming 1" groups at 100 yards.- Location
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Six Star said:The biggest problem with the less expensive "red dot" sights is that the dot will disappear in bright sunlight, or when applied to a light-coloured target, even when turned up to max brightness.
What rifle do you have the Tasco mounted on?
(Very) simply put, 1MOA (one minute of angle) represents 1" on the target at 100 yards. So when folks lie about their guns shooting 1MOA,
Thanks ...its getting clearer.. I have it mounted on a Beretta storm..a friend has a bushnell red dot that i am going to try. it seems to be alot brighter for some reason...I was using a black cross on a white background (8x10) in bright sun..almost impossible to see the dot from the tasco...not as bad on a black target, or if it is in the shade.
waynesixgun said:
Try reversing the target so that the pattern is downrange...this works well in bright sunlight when using any sighting system.
Your Storm deserves a better holosight.
An EOTech is good, but I found that it interfered with the cocking handle if it wasn't placed almost at the front of the rail. An Aimpoint can be mounted a bit higher off the top rail away from the cocking handle if you like the holosight closer to your eye.- Location
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Thanks six star...The storm deserves a decent scope but my budget wont allow it right now..I may get the bushnell holosight..does it have to be raised or can it sit right on the rail if is all the way forward?
waynesixgun said:
As Six Star says, the best place for it (on the Beretta) is far forward on the rail, out of the way of the cocking handle. I use my Beretta mounted Eotech regularly in competition and have come to quite prefer this 'scout style' placement of the sights.
waynesixgun said:
Are you looking at the Bushnell 'Trophy' holosight that costs about $100?
It's not so much the holosight that gets in the way as the holosight's mounts. In the case of the Bushnell, you could probably mount it in 30mm rings anywhere on the top rail, if you put the rings' thumbscrews on the opposite side to the cocking handle.
Six Star said:C'mon.....
The 1MOA dot of an EOTech certainly helps get all the rounds into the (approx) 6"x12" A-Zone scoring area of an IPSC Classic Target at 100 yards when shooting prone, kneeling or standing. To "hit" a man-sized target (a Fig11 or Fig12) at 100 yards is hardly a job that requires an (unmagnified) holosight....iron sights were always plenty good enough.
Personally, I use an EOTech because it's God's Gift to old eyes for gun games. Would I stake my life on the reliability of ANY electronic sight? Nope....I would go with iron sights.
Sorry, but having used both Eotechs and Aimpoints extensively, I personally don't see how a 1MOA dot makes it easier to hit a 6"x12" target at 100 yards vs. a 4 MOA dot.
If you're trying to shoot the smallest possible group, yes it probably will make a difference, but it won't make any difference hitting the 6"x12" A-zone (this is where the "benchrest scope" reference comes from - I've heard soooo many people say they like the Eotech because it lets them shoot slightly smaller groups. Well, newsflash people, niether of these sights are designed for making small groups) - in fact in my experience, a 4 MOA dot still allows me a quicker hit even at 100 yards.
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Aw Geez....Ok...one more time. Nobody is suggesting that an EOTech or Aimpoint is for "target shooting" (whatever the hell that is...) or a substitute for a good scope. You guys are working at this way too hard...
Both the EOTech and the Aimpoint are great HSW's. Both enjoy a loyal following for WHATEVER they are used for. I certainly didn't buy an EOTech just to improve my groups at 100 yards. I bought it to help me and my deteriorating eyesight be reasonably competitive in Tac Rifle matches, where most targets are set out between 5 feet and 50 feet, with the occasional 50 yard and 100 yard thrown in. What I did find was that I was very surprised at how good my groups WERE at 100 yards with the EOTech on my AR. Would they be just as good with an Aimpoint? Most likely, but I have an EOTech on my AR right now and it works for ME....YMMV.
What pleases me greatly about a holosight is that I can shoot without prescription glasses, just wearing plain eye protection. No depth perception issues as with bifocals. I can also shoot with both eyes open, something I've never been succesful at doing with iron sights.
Both the EOTech and the Aimpoint are great HSW's. Both enjoy a loyal following for WHATEVER they are used for. I certainly didn't buy an EOTech just to improve my groups at 100 yards. I bought it to help me and my deteriorating eyesight be reasonably competitive in Tac Rifle matches, where most targets are set out between 5 feet and 50 feet, with the occasional 50 yard and 100 yard thrown in. What I did find was that I was very surprised at how good my groups WERE at 100 yards with the EOTech on my AR. Would they be just as good with an Aimpoint? Most likely, but I have an EOTech on my AR right now and it works for ME....YMMV.
What pleases me greatly about a holosight is that I can shoot without prescription glasses, just wearing plain eye protection. No depth perception issues as with bifocals. I can also shoot with both eyes open, something I've never been succesful at doing with iron sights.
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Six Star said:
The one I am thinking about is the same as the eotech...just the bushnell ( I think though they are about the same price)...I have the trophy red dot with 4 different rectiles on loan from a friend to try.. but I need 30mm rings for it..would the EOTech just mount flat on the rail and can you still co-witness the iron sights?
Six Star said:Aw Geez....Ok...one more time. Nobody is suggesting that an EOTech or Aimpoint is for "target shooting" (whatever the hell that is...) or a substitute for a good scope. You guys are working at this way too hard...
Both the EOTech and the Aimpoint are great HSW's. Both enjoy a loyal following for WHATEVER they are used for. I certainly didn't buy an EOTech just to improve my groups at 100 yards. I bought it to help me and my deteriorating eyesight be reasonably competitive in Tac Rifle matches, where most targets are set out between 5 feet and 50 feet, with the occasional 50 yard and 100 yard thrown in. What I did find was that I was very surprised at how good my groups WERE at 100 yards with the EOTech on my AR. Would they be just as good with an Aimpoint? Most likely, but I have an EOTech on my AR right now and it works for ME....YMMV.
What pleases me greatly about a holosight is that I can shoot without prescription glasses, just wearing plain eye protection. No depth perception issues as with bifocals. I can also shoot with both eyes open, something I've never been succesful at doing with iron sights.
Sixstar, one more time (as you put it), nobody is saying that you purchased your Eotech to improve your groups at 100 yards. But if you missed it, there are several posts in this thread that mention that some people (not you personally) think that the Aimpoint's dot is too big for accurate shooting at 100 yards - my point, is that if someone thinks the 4 MOA dot is too big for man-size targets (even head sized targets) at 100 yards, then they probably haven't thought it through very well.
I personally have heard several people complaining that the dot of an Aimpoint doesn't let them shoot as accuratelly at long range as their 3-9X scope does. So back to my original opinion, that many people don't have a clue what they are buying, much less what it's intended for. So you see, some people do "think" that just because a sight is "optical", that it should allow them to shoot tiny little groups.
And my intention is not to be bashing Eotechs - as I stated in other posts, I have used them, and would be my second choice if I couldn't have an Aimpoint.
