EOTech!!

Shooster said:
Why does he need to do any more research than his first hand experiences his "entire career"???

I've been using EOTechs for over a decade and, like many, have NEVER had an issue whatsoever. Have there been issues, yes. But really, how many of us are using these things in an LEO or military capacity?
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You nailed it. 99% of the "operators" :rolleyes: on here talking about the quality of Eotechs will never and have never used it in a manner that would cause it to malfunction. I have never had an issue under normal range use and probably never will.
 
I experienced the thermal drift, as did friends of mine, It's no fairytale. I noticed deviation in temps starting at -8 and it became more pronounced at lower temps. As the military advisory stated, you needed to re zero at each temp you were working in, and keep checking it.

I loved my Eotech, and debated keeping it, but I'm not in the habit of buying things for $1000 that sort of work. I shoot a lot, and year round, my other equipment operates flawlessly.

In the end I took the refund, as we all did amongst our group. It was a straight forward process, but it took about 3 months to get the $$.

I would buy an Eotech again knowing they have issues, but not for what they are going for still, and not for colder temps.

YMMV.
 
dkf said:
I have one of the supposedly affected Eotechs (ie. all of them sold before the recall) and I've thought about sending it in for a refund cheque and getting an Aimpoint instead. Aimpoints have that bulletproof reliability and ridiculous battery life going for them.

In the end though, I just love that giant window with the 65 MOA ring and 1 MOA dot too much. Having to adjust to looking through a black tube at a 2 MOA dot (all Aimpoints) would probably be more detrimental to my accuracy than a "defective" Eotech.
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I actually sold my T2 for this very reason. Great optic, no doubt...nice and compact, incredible battery life, etc. but for me, just not nearly enough FOV in that tiny little round objective. Like anything, one can adapt through use and practice and become proficient, but at the end of the day...having used both a significant amount...I much prefer the EOTech HWS's over any more modern Aimpoint. That said, I still do have a soft spot for the CompM2 from a FOV and battery life POV...too bad they are so big and bulky by today's standards, and even then, I still prefer the rectangular FOV of the EOTech over the round of Aimpoint/other round RDS type sights/optics.
 
I got an Elcan for my Tavor which will work for longer ranges and remain accurate. I put the Eotech on my Kriss Vektor as it's a short range weapon and the drift issue won't matter. I love the easy intuitive target acquisition of the Eotech.
 
It would be nice if you could post the 'savings' instead of essentially asking people to run around and search them out....either get your dealers to post them or you should.consumers have a short attention span sometimes and there are many optics out there, if someone posts a good deal it will be grabbed before they sit down and try to research what you are offering. Just my two cents.
 
Eotech owner here, the XPS2-0. I have not experienced a serious change in POA from summer to winter, HOWEVER I have a permanent moisture incursion, which appears as a large circle around the main reticle, which makes the reticle nearly invisible as I move it around the viewing window (as if I were trying to look through the reticle in the corner of screen) in a perfectly circular 'ring of invisibility'. I have not kept the warranty card, and this is only for the range so as long as the reticle stays in the center of the screen it is usable, still very disappointing. I would buy a new one, but I cant be sure this won't happen again as it spends the winter in a cold safe. I still have kept it covered, but I don't think a $600 sight should do this. Has anyone else had an issue like mine
 
CARLTROS said:
Eotech owner here, the XPS2-0. I have not experienced a serious change in POA from summer to winter, HOWEVER I have a permanent moisture incursion, which appears as a large circle around the main reticle, which makes the reticle nearly invisible as I move it around the viewing window (as if I were trying to look through the reticle in the corner of screen) in a perfectly circular 'ring of invisibility'. I have not kept the warranty card, and this is only for the range so as long as the reticle stays in the center of the screen it is usable, still very disappointing. I would buy a new one, but I cant be sure this won't happen again as it spends the winter in a cold safe. I still have kept it covered, but I don't think a $600 sight should do this. Has anyone else had an issue like mine
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That is a send it back scenario for sure. See EOTech website for details on how to go about it...GT posted a great link too.
 
I sent three eotechs back for about $600USD each. No way I am going to drop any more cash on them. Aimpoint and Trijicon are wicked alternatives.
 
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For most of us weekend warriors we would have never seen the issues experienced through military testing. I will keep my Eotech but if it were my job and my life depended on it? I'd be switching to another optic. Most shooters returning their units would have never had issues.
 
greentips said:
http://www.eotechinc.com/dear-valued-eotech-customer

All your questions are answered in the link
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Here's another link with some eye opening info for anyone who hasn't seen all the nasty problems that EOTech sights suffer from.

http://www.eotechlawsuit.com

Thermal Drift – After zeroing the ECOS systems at or near ambient temperature (73°F), the zero position will shift during operating temperature changes. The ECOS systems have the potential to shift approximately +/- 4 Minutes of Angle (MOA) at -40°F and 122°F. Due to thermal drift, the sight may not return to zero. The systems have the potential of approximately a +/- 2 MOA zero shift upon return to ambient (73°F) after being exposed to any temperature between -40°F and 122°F temperatures.

Fading Reticle – The complete 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA dot reticle may not be visible to the operator throughout the entire viewing window of the ECOS-Q optic. The ECOS-Q system’s age and environmental exposure are factors which accelerate reticle dimming. Impact to operators is the holographic reticle may not be visible in all firing positions.

HWS DiagramParallax Error – Parallax is an apparent change in the position of an object resulting from a change in position of the observer. The 65 MOA ring with 1 MOA dot reticle point of aim will appear to move in relation to your target during off-axis firing positions where maintaining cheek-weld and sight picture is not feasible. The ECOS-Q system has the potential of approximately 4 Minute of Angle (MOA) parallax error at 70°F and approximately 6 MOA parallax error at 5°F. Impact to the operators is the point of aim / point of impact will be affected by a MOA parallax error, in off-axis firing positions at all temperatures.

Is My EOTech safe to use?

There is no known fix for the problem other than replacing the unit. Degree of inaccuracy and MOA variance will change based upon the ambient temperature the HWS was zero’d at, the amount of humidity it has been exposed to over its operational life, the age of the HWS and the ambient temperature the HWS is used at while engaging target. We do not recommend continuing to use the EOTech HWS system in scenarios where reliable targeting is necessary across a broad range of temperatures or humidity.

What misrepresentations did EOTech make to US consumers?

Beginning in 2005, in its product marketing brochures, EOTech represented, “Extreme Durability – Built to take it: The HWS has been designed and tested to provide consistent, reliable performance even in the most hostile operational environments. The HWS is Waterproof (submersible), fogproof, shockproof, and withstands extreme temperature variations.”
It also represented, “No Reticle Wash-Out: The HWSʼs 30 brightness settings ensure the holographic reticle can be instantly viewed in ALL types of lighting environments, cluttered back- grounds and target colors. The HWS delivers an impressive 10,000,000:1 bright to low reticle contrast ratio … to ensure the reticle is always clearly viewable.”
In the HDS Specifications, it also said that the optics were “100% parallax free”.
EO Tech’s brochure specified the temperature operating rage to be: “-40 to 150 F(using AA lithiums); -20 to 150 F(all other battery choices)”

What did EOTech know?

In 2006, EOTech became aware that its sights failed to maintain zero with temperature changes, a condition it referred to as “thermal drift”.
EOTech’s CEO admits he knew that EOTech’s sights were experiencing increasing parallax errors in cold temperatures as early as March, 2007.
In early 2007, EOTech became aware that its sights were experiencing increasing parallax error in cold temperature. At 32° F, the parallax error was 12 MOA, i.e., 12 inches for every hundred yards, when measured from outside edge to outside edge of the sight; and at 5° F, the error was more than 20 MOA, from outside edge to outside edge.
In February 2009, EOTech became aware, based on testing a sample of sights, that moisture was entering its sights. When moisture enters a sight, it can cause a dimming of the reticle. Reticle dimming can occur more quickly in humid environments. An optic’s reticle is necessary to allow the user to acquire a target.
EOTech continued to sell its sights to the Government, Consumers, and others.
EOTech has been part of the L3 “Warrior Systems” division since 2011.
Beginning in 2011 , EOTech conducted testing of sights sold to Crane and found thermal drift of 2 to 6 MOA over temperature variations for its carbine sights.
EOTech continued to sell its sights to the government and the public without disclosing its findings.

So for nearly a decade EOTech willingly sold faulty products to military and law enforcement. That's some shady stuff right there.
 
When this broke about eotech being less then forthright, it reminded me of zeroing one on a ar15 (can't remember which one) in August till it was spot on, didn't shoot it again till January, so about 50 degrees difference. It was so far off I got frustrated, took it off and started from scratch. Couldn't figure it out. Chalked it up to something I did. Returned it for $715 CDN but kept one for a 9mm rifle cause who cares about 9mm.
 
Eotech is taking back any HWS for any reason, just fill out the RMA form and follow their directions, they are giving you $25 usd for shipping as part of the settlement. No receipt for purchase is required nor do they want the packaging. The reticle being fubared is defiantly worth returning.

The fact of the matter is they don't work as advertised, and the company admits it fully. would you keep any other product like that? I'm actually amazed they are still selling these at full price. My bet is within a year they will be selling all the returns as refurbished at a good price. If so I'll get one for giggles.

With my refund I bought an Elcan OS4X and love it! It's the Royal Army's issued battle sight, and is thus far worth every penny.
 
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