andrew3081
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Your mistake is not knowing a gun that you try to trash talk on.
Epoxy around the Barrel?
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Your mistake is not knowing a gun that you try to trash talk on.
You know what I mean. Dudes' been tire kicking forever. I wasn't referring to the time it takes to get the weapon reclassified alone. By the time he decides what he wants, buys it, orders the barrel, receives the barrel and gets it is reclassified, it could potentially be years! Just busting his chops.
The trials were cancelled, in case you haven't noticed, the US military still uses the AR-15 platform.
Furthermore, the XCR was rejected on a technicality due to 'late delivery of a blank-firing adapter'. Maybe do some reading?
And that has what to do with the Individual Carbine competition?
Im fairly sure Bushmaster, Robarms, and FN sell way more rifles to US civilians than to other militaries.
The FN SCAR is in use by various special forces internationally, but that's because they have the means to reach an international market. You think Alex Robinson can go sell his rifle in Europe? LOL
you talking about me? I ordered a rifle in 450 as soon as someone said they were able to build it but to you doing research online is tire kicking? 1911A1 on here would supply the parts but not a complete working rifle so I had to wait for Herron to get the tooling for the job.
Right, and I may win the lottery some day.
You think Robarms has the resources and political clout to compete with Fabrique Nationale for European military contracts. Now THAT'S hilarious.
would the "clout" really matter if the product was superior to what others offer?
The whole point of the trials was to find the best out there, if there is not enough improvement, savings or gain from switching up the military will keep what it has.
Guy, c'mon... please. FN is a European company with 3000+ employees and a 100+ year pedigree. Robinson Arms is a no-name shop out of Salt Lake City, with fewer than 30 employees. They've been in business for like 20 years. The fact that they even managed to engineer, develop, and manufacture a competitor for the AR-15 platform is astounding. They can't compete for international military contracts against a company like FN. Give your head a shake. The rifle works in the manner it was designed; it fulfills the role it was meant to serve in a military scenario.
thankfully this is not how the world works, If you design a superior product you will have people buying it all over the world.
now if you were talking about current production capacity due to the size of either company then I could understand what you are saying but all it takes is one large contract for a company to grow. By the sounds of your argument you make it sound like FN started out at the level they are at today and that no other company could possibly do the same ever.
but it is not being used in the role it was meant to serve in, that is fact.
It's more than just the product. Its about capacity to produce, service, support and deliver it. You gonna take a chance on some no-name from Utah, or you gonna buy a very similar and superbly received product from FN? This is rudimentary in my mind- I think you're being obtuse just for the fun of it.
If the gun does what I want it to do, and its well supported by distributors and dealers, then thats the end of this conversation. The XCR and ACR fit the bill for a number of uses despite not being used by any government/military users.
And if amazing products sell themselves, why isn't the ACR being used by militaries world-wide? Furthermore, why does this even matter to us civilian buyers?
If the gun does what I want it to do, and its well supported by distributors and dealers, then thats the end of this conversation. The XCR and ACR fit the bill for a number of uses despite not being used by any government/military users.
militaries did not use FN rifles when they were a smaller company with less market share?
Ask the people who produce it why. I am not sure why It matters, I didn't say either was a battle rifle or claim it to be better than other NR rifles like many on here do, I bought an ACR for the caliber (450) and in a NR platform for hunting. I could care less what it was designed to do and don't go around telling people about how it is a battle rifle, etc and I shouldn't expect it to shoot well because of that. If it doesn't shoot well it doesn't shoot well end of story. There are a number of NR rifles on the market in lower, similar and higher price ranges than an XCR, Accuracy is discussed about many of them and is usually a very short thread. Yet every time the XCR accuracy is mentioned it turns in to several pages of the same people defending it with the same story word for word
exactly, so why do people feel the need to bring up in discussion of the XCR that it does what it was designed to do when it never made it to the role it was designed for? Attempting to justify an inherent problem with any rifle by saying it was good enough for the purpose it was designed for is false when it never made it there and the civilian market was settled on instead.
Brian46, please pick up a copy of The Black Rifle and read it. Your "how the real world works" argument with respect to a superior product is quite incorrect and borders on naive.
Politics trumps superior products with alarming regularity. On the other hand if Robarms wanted to play in the big leagues they should have taken deadlines a lot more seriously. I can't imagine how hard hit Alex Robinson's ego still is from that DQ.
Politics trumps superior products with alarming regularity. On the other hand if Robarms wanted to play in the big leagues they should have taken deadlines a lot more seriously. I can't imagine how hard hit Alex Robinson's ego still is from that DQ.
Brian, stop back peddling. YOU are the one who starts these arguments with your passive aggressive pokes in XCR threads. You are the one who baited the inevitable with with your tongue in cheek questioning of what the intended purpose of the XCR was. Quit trying to be this impartial bastion of firearms research. You're a troll plain and simple.
