Epoxy7 AR-10's got me thinking...
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If its a National Match AR10 you're looking at, it will have the features for accuracy.
Seeing how youve said that you're not familiar with the AR rifle, to maximize the accuracy of a direct impinent rifle it should have:
- a heavy Stainless Steel barrel
- a floating hand guard (only attaches to the upper reciever and not at the gas block)
- a match trigger of some sort (reduce human error).
Seeing how your a good shot
you know that your ammunition should match the barrel twist.
Seeing how youve said that you're not familiar with the AR rifle, to maximize the accuracy of a direct impinent rifle it should have:
- a heavy Stainless Steel barrel
- a floating hand guard (only attaches to the upper reciever and not at the gas block)
- a match trigger of some sort (reduce human error).
Seeing how your a good shot
you know that your ammunition should match the barrel twist.Thanks, i guess when i have find the good tool for the good work, the rest should come naturally... lol... JP.If its a National Match AR10 you're looking at, it will have the features for accuracy.
Seeing how youve said that you're not familiar with the AR rifle, to maximize the accuracy direct impinent action a rifle should have a heavy Stainless Steel barrel, a floating hand guard (only attaches to the upper reciever and not at the gas block) and a match trigger of some sort (reduce human error).
Seeing how your a good shot
mildcustom2
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Why pay 4000$-5000$ for a rifle that will do the same job as a 2500$ AR10 National Match?
Check IRUNGUNS US web page. They had a bunch of AR10's in stock a week ago. They can export them into Canada with no Export fees.
Here's a rare example: I have two of these rifles (no not for sale) and Fireball has one. I can say that I have owned three of these rifles at various times!! These rifles are one of the best kept secrets out there. But hard to find and the few owners tend to hold onto them.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/978595-Mr-Wolverine-s-Sale?highlight=AR10
I was watching that KAC SR25 on the EE that BenL posted about. The only issue is there are so many variations within the KAC rifles. You really have to be on top of it to know what you're getting. It will be a good rifle but will it have the dimpled barrel? Will it have the ambi controls? Will it have the QR sockets on the lower? etc etc. Bolt generation? SS barrel? It takes some research and a fair amount of money to go the KAC route. It's a nice rifle.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/978595-Mr-Wolverine-s-Sale?highlight=AR10
I was watching that KAC SR25 on the EE that BenL posted about. The only issue is there are so many variations within the KAC rifles. You really have to be on top of it to know what you're getting. It will be a good rifle but will it have the dimpled barrel? Will it have the ambi controls? Will it have the QR sockets on the lower? etc etc. Bolt generation? SS barrel? It takes some research and a fair amount of money to go the KAC route. It's a nice rifle.
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I got one of the Rare DND versions and its a tac driver one of my favorite rifles still to this date
mildcustom2
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Here's a rare example: I have two of these rifles (no not for sale) and Fireball has one. I can say that I have owned three of these rifles at various times!! These rifles are one of the best kept secrets out there. But hard to find and the few owners tend to hold onto them.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/978595-Mr-Wolverine-s-Sale?highlight=AR10
I was watching that KAC SR25 on the EE that BenL posted about. The only issue is there are so many variations within the KAC rifles. You really have to be on top of it to know what you're getting. It will be a good rifle but will it have the dimpled barrel? Will it have the ambi controls? Will it have the QR sockets on the lower? etc etc. Bolt generation? SS barrel? It takes some research and a fair amount of money to go the KAC route. It's a nice rifle.
Too funny, I PM'd Caramel the other day and told him he'd be crazy not to buy it.
Hey guys, i am so mixed up, not having the knowledge of those rifles drive me nut, i have to believe you for this Wolverines rifle to be one great rifle, on the other hand the KAC ECR Carbine ( 16 inch is a great lenght) full equiped is a very tempting one to, reading, hearing what the pro's have to say, i will recieve my RPAL before the new year, i guess, by that time, i hope i will be informed enough to make a wise choice, i am no scare of buying ( did fork out alot for my Nemesis but only cryed once...), just want to make the best choice and only cry once for my first or second RPAL buy... Thanks for all your insights... JP.
Well. According to KevinB on another site there were 18 total ordered for the Canadian military along with 6 prototypes for testing purposes.
From M4Carbine
Kevin suspected 6 prototypes could have been reissued. They weren't. As I own one of them (Confirmed as I bought it directly from Wolverine). The Wolverine one currently for sale was an unknown extra that was obviously ordered for a personal collection. So that makes 7. The only wrinkle with the count and second hand owners was that some of the uppers may be what I refer to as "bring backs" where they aren't the prototype rifles but uppers brought back for refurbishment which were replaced with new for the military and the old ones sold to us. I can confirm that the one rifle I have is one of the prototypes. The Prototypes have exactly 200 rounds through the upper. The others, who knows. The prototypes were also more expensive than the bring back uppers.
The only issue with these rifles, are the resale. Most people have no idea what they are. A SASS or LMT or KAC will be easier for resale. These things are built like tanks. They are heavy and very accurate. But well built plain jane war machines. Also the 24" barrel has gone out of favour. With Canada at the time it actually made sense going for the 24" barrel as they could use the same ammo as their 308 sniper rifle and get exceptional accuracy from their semi auto. Also these were for the spotters. So providing accurate semi auto cover for the sniper. Considering they were using 50BMG and sniping at ranges over 2K over there. The extra velocity/range from the 24" actually made sense. Still heavy though and most would chose a 20" or for patrol DM stuff a 16".
Dogzilla has some interesting threads on his as he even built his own lower for it (Kind of jealous of that)
. I had two of these DND rifles and Fireball was all over them like a fat kid on a smarty. His wife (He better realize how lucky he is) bought the one from me for his birthday. The rifle was a very good deal and I sold it for what I paid (minus one Gen1 mag just for a comparison to my Gen2 ones. Finders fee). The rifle had an Eagle Arms (Armalite) lower with the Socom symbol and had a fantastic match trigger in it. I regretted selling that rifle, but it was to someone who shoots it very well and I know will hang onto it. More than worth passing that one onto a buddy.
One of the funny reloading experiences I had with one of these DND AR10 rifles was at the range doing loads for a RFB. I loaded some 175SMK rounds with 43.4 varget CCI BR2 primers in Federal Brass (Yes guys this is a fantastic load. Enjoy). They didn't work well in the RFB. So I passed them over to Fireball who was shooting with his AR10. He pulled the 4th shot. Otherwise that was one heck of a group. The 5th was right back into the centre. 100 metres, from a bipod on a bench using ... A burris fullfieldII 3-9x.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/533010-Thursday-with-the-twins-at-the-Mission-range?highlight=Mission+Twins
This was the target:
Here's the setup he shot that with. As Fireball now also has a NF on his AR10 (That's what I have on the one in the background) I'd say he considered it worth it.
The only issue I've had with my AR10 DND is the trigger. My lower came with a two stage but it wasn't the NM. It was the "tactical". Avoid this like the plague. It's not suitable for these rifles. I have a few other Armalite AR10 lowers including my SASS one with a PRS that I'll be giving a try as they have the match trigger. Eventually I'll be replacing that "tactical" trigger with the NM one for my DND lower. The rifle still shoots sub 1 moa but.. that trigger opens the groups up from what it can actually do. I find heavy on a two stage to be harder as there is no travel like a 1 stage to smoothly move through the extra weight.
My newly acquired one along with my SASS build have the NM triggers in them. They are good. The trigger in fireballs rifle I swear is under 1 pound. It was exceptional. Bought that rifle off the EE from an awesome CGN member. If he's reading this, that rifle went to a very good home.
As shooters go and as a piece of Canadian history these rifles are exceptional. I spotted one on the EE this summer and let a buddy know about it. He had other expenses like pretending to be a race car driver (I think he's a closet Tom Cruise fan). Yes Lineofsite I'm talking about you. So he passed. I really didn't need another AR10 rifle but... ya I bought it anyways
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For Caramel, I would probably recommend the SR25. Although that SASS irunguns has is extremely tempting. The only thing is the SR25 runs the mags most want and it is considered the best. The only negatives I have with the SR25 are the price and I'm not a fan of "Stoner rifle" on the side. But otherwise they are very nice. They won't outshoot the Armalite DND or SASS but they are nicely done. The ambi controls on the lowers are exceptional as well. If you're planning on a 16" accuracy AR10 style rifle then the KAC is the best choice with LMT a heavier second.
There's always been a competitive animosity between KAC and Armalite. Armalite has been left behind lately with the development of new stuff by KAC and was caught a bit off guard when the original AR10 mags became the standard not the current ones based of the M14 mags. Plus I suspect having been the first with AR10 rifles that they weren't expecting the sudden huge demand for 308AR rifles. As up until lately they have been a fringe group compared to the AR15. But.. baring the extra options I don't consider the Armalite an inferior firearm where it matters. I own a LMT MWS. I highly suspect KAC and LMT are either the same company or work so close that they may as well be. Their product lines diversify as if to compliment each other. They use parts from each other. I bring this up because I've obviously taken apart my LMT and my Armalite rifles for cleaning.
Externally the Armalite Upper Receiver: Forged Flat Top Receiver with Picatinny Rail and Forward Assist 7175-T74 Aluminum and the Lower Receiver: 7175-t73 Aluminum (forged). The LMT and KAC first gen are billet of unknown type. The newer ones at least in the upper are now forged as well (The gen1 rifles with the billet look cooler).
Here's something interesting to read. This is very dated now though. Armalite has made changes as has KAC/LMT. It should be known there are numerous rumours regarding the competition that KAC won. Some say the Armalite SASS won but didn't meet the facility security requirements, some say KAC won and Armalite was a distant third (I doubt that). Others have said the Armalite had better accuracy, broke a bolt catch but continued to work. Since they didn't have a spare they didn't advance to the next stage. Who knows. Here's what Armalite had to say back in the day regarding their AR10 vs the SR25. Keep in mind it's Armalite propaganda and now very dated. Remember when reading stuff from Armalite or KAC that both have a vested interest in promoting their own product.
Again outdated, but even back then there was the AR10 vs SR25 debate. This used to be up on Armalite's website. I found it about two years ago but it's been taken down.
Here's what Armalite said regarding mags and the bolt catch. I can attest that the Gen2 mags are a lot nicer than the Gen1 mags.
For Caramel, I'd go SR25. If the very high price isn't an issue then you may as well get the best. I just personally cant' justify the cost. I'm very happy with my LMT and my Aramlites.
There's always been a competitive animosity between KAC and Armalite. Armalite has been left behind lately with the development of new stuff by KAC and was caught a bit off guard when the original AR10 mags became the standard not the current ones based of the M14 mags. Plus I suspect having been the first with AR10 rifles that they weren't expecting the sudden huge demand for 308AR rifles. As up until lately they have been a fringe group compared to the AR15. But.. baring the extra options I don't consider the Armalite an inferior firearm where it matters. I own a LMT MWS. I highly suspect KAC and LMT are either the same company or work so close that they may as well be. Their product lines diversify as if to compliment each other. They use parts from each other. I bring this up because I've obviously taken apart my LMT and my Armalite rifles for cleaning.
Externally the Armalite Upper Receiver: Forged Flat Top Receiver with Picatinny Rail and Forward Assist 7175-T74 Aluminum and the Lower Receiver: 7175-t73 Aluminum (forged). The LMT and KAC first gen are billet of unknown type. The newer ones at least in the upper are now forged as well (The gen1 rifles with the billet look cooler).
Here's something interesting to read. This is very dated now though. Armalite has made changes as has KAC/LMT. It should be known there are numerous rumours regarding the competition that KAC won. Some say the Armalite SASS won but didn't meet the facility security requirements, some say KAC won and Armalite was a distant third (I doubt that). Others have said the Armalite had better accuracy, broke a bolt catch but continued to work. Since they didn't have a spare they didn't advance to the next stage. Who knows. Here's what Armalite had to say back in the day regarding their AR10 vs the SR25. Keep in mind it's Armalite propaganda and now very dated. Remember when reading stuff from Armalite or KAC that both have a vested interest in promoting their own product.
Again outdated, but even back then there was the AR10 vs SR25 debate. This used to be up on Armalite's website. I found it about two years ago but it's been taken down.
October 19, 1999
TECHNICAL NOTE 6: TECHNICAL INFORMATION CONCERNING AR-10B SERIES RIFLES
The purpose of this technical summary is to answer repeated questions concerning ArmaLite AR-10B series rifles, with an emphasis on differences between the AR-10B series, the M-16 series service rifle, and the SR-25 rifle produced by Knight's Armament Company (KAC).
GENERAL: ArmaLite's priorities during development of the AR-10 were technical excellence first, and interchangeability with the KAC SR-25 and the M-16 following. Because of the small number of early AR-10s produced between the late 1950s and early 1960s, no effort was made to maintain interchangeability with them, and no testing has yet been conducted to determine which parts interchange.
The design of the SR-25 emphasized interchangeability with the M-16 considerably more than ArmaLite has with the AR-10. While both approaches are sound, the difference in priority has resulted in a number of technical advantages in the ArmaLite AR10 design.
For brevity, the new ArmaLite rifles are collectively referred to as AR-10s. Four models of the AR-10B series exist:
AR-10B: The base model of the new ArmaLite line. It is patterned after early 1960 era rifles, and is produced largely for nostalgic reasons. The charging handle looks like an upside down trigger and is located at the front of the carrying handle. It special brown furniture and a rear sight elevation window at the rear of the carry handle.
AR-10A2; virtually identical to the M16A2 service rifle, but caliber .308.
AR-l0A4: A flexible combination of the AR-10A2 and the AR-10(T). It is generally identical to the AR-10A2 except that the upper receiver and gas block are manufactured with the “Picatinny Rail” sight mounting surfaces of the AR-10(T). Removable iron or telescopic sights are optional.
AR-10(T); target model featuring a 24 inch long, medium weight target barrel, tubular handguard, match trigger, and Picatinny Rail receiver and gas block.
Each rifle is matched by a similar carbine: virtually identical save for a 16 inch long barrel. The T carbine is equipped with a standard trigger rather than the match trigger of the AR-10(T) rifle.
BUTTSTOCK: M-16A2 type shell. A rounded buttplate is used to reduce sharp, uncomfortable edges. A thicker, nylon trap door is used provide protruding checkering for good grip. ArmaLite's feature olive green furniture (stocks, grips, and handguards) as a standard feature. Black furniture is available as an option.
BUFFER: Similar to that of the M16 rifle, but dimensioned for the AR-10. It is of aluminum construction containing the same weights and buffer disks used in the M-16. The KMC buffer is a simple turned nylon plug. The purpose of the weights is to reduce elastic rebound of the carrier from the barrel extension.
OPERATING SPRIN32 coil 17-7 stainless steel versus the KMC 40 coil spring. The shorter spring reduces slamming of the bolt carrier against the barrel extension. The ArmaLite buffer places a slight preload on the spring, reducing the need for the longer spring. The ArmaLite spring and buffer are usable in the KMC SR25.
UPPER RECEIVER: Three versions are built: the AR-l0A4 version topped off with a Picatinny Rail (Weaver style) sight mounting surface, the AR-l0A2 version bearing an integral carrying handle, and a slightly modified AR-10A2 version made for the trigger-style charging handle of the AR-10B. ArmaLite produces a removable front sight and removable carrying handle for use on the Picatinny Rail surfaces.
ArmaLite upper receivers are forged rather than extruded or cast, and include an integral case deflector. ArmaLite’s uppers are available for the KMC Lower Receivers. KMC use of an extrusion instead of a forging requires a flat-sided receiver form; the core of the ArmaLite upper receiver is generally cylindrical, and quite similar to that of the M-16. No Forward Assist is provided. It is not considered necessary given the more powerful operating spring used.
BARREL NUT: Two barrel nuts are used on the ArmaLite rifles: a simple ring style on the target models, and a rather more complicated nut for the -A2 and -A4 models that adapts standard M16 handguards to the AR-10.
The relatively complex -A2 barrel nut was designed to allow a spring loaded slip ring to be used to hold standard rifle handguards. This system is preferable to the early jam nut style handguard ring used on 1960 era AR-10s and on current SR-25s because the jam nut system loosen rapidly as the barrel expands during firing. ArmaLite abandoned jam nut type handguard rings early in the AR-15 program.
The AR-10(T) barrel nut is a ring that bears internal threads matching those of the upper receiver, and an external diameter matched to the bushing of the handguard. Because of the need to raise the gas tube, the gas tube holes of the ArmaLite nut are .010 farther from the boreline than those of the KMC part, but they remain interchangeable.
CARRIER: The AR-10B carrier is virtually identical to that of the SR-25. It is externally phosphated instead of chrome plated as with the SR-25, but is chrome plated in the gas expansion chamber like the carrier of the M-16. The carrier key surface is .010 inch farther from the boreline than that of the KMC carrier, and .030 further to the rear for better gas transfer into the carrier. Like the KMC carrier, the ArmaLite carrier will not allow a standard width hammer to enter the ArmaLite Carrier Assembly. Initial testing has shown that the carrier and bolt group is interchangeable with the KMC components.
FIRING PIN: Similar to the KMC firing pin, but with several key improvements. The firing pin tip bears a short cylindrical surface just behind the tip. This allows the bolt to have a cylindrical section just behind the bolt face, reducing the possibility of sheared primer material jamming into the opening. The KMC firing Pin and Bolt have tapered surfaces at this point.
The ArmaLite firing pin has a single flange, and a cylindrical section before it that mounts a firing pin spring. The firing pin spring greatly reduces the light firing pin strike produced in M-16 type rifles when the bolt locks, and thus reduces the possibility of slam fire. In addition, it positively prevents incorrect assembly of the bolt carrier assembly. The KMC firing pin has two flanges which makes it possible to install the firing pin retainer in front of the second flange: the carrier assembly appears correctly assembled but the firing pin cannot strike the primer.
BOLT: The Bolt is similar to that of the KMC model. Like the KMC bolt, it bears tapered lugs with increased root width for added strength. Six locking and one Safety Lug (patent pending) are used. This system provides greater strength than the seven conventional locking lugs of M16 type bolts. The firing pin hole has been reduced in diameter to prevent primer material from extruding into the firing pin hole if cartridge pressures are high or if primer material is soft.
GAS RIN
EXTRACTOR: The extractor is patterned after that of the prototype ArmaLite AR-16 rifle. It doesn’t interchange with either early AR-10 or SR-25 extractors.
EJECTION PORT COVER: Generally identical to that of the M-16, but a half-inch longer to accommodate the 7.62mm cartridge.
EJECTION PORT COVER SPRIN
GAS BLOCK: Steel, bearing a short segment of Picatinny Rail mounting surface for sights or other accessories. It may be loosened to zero the removable sights. It is one, cross-slot longer than the KMC gas block to allow more secure attachment of hardware.
GAS TUBE: .240 Longer than the M-16 gas tube used by KMC to allow use of standard handguards and the spring loaded slip ring of the AR-10A2 and -A4 (see above).
BARREL: The AR-10(T) barrel is produced from a match grade, stainless steel barrel blank. The standard AR-lOA2 and -A4 barrels are button rifled and chrome lined, with stainless barrels available as an option. Target barrels are 24 inches long; standard barrels are 20 inches long. Carbine length barrels are 16 inches long. Replacement of the barrel requires special tools, and should be performed only by ArmaLite personnel or a qualified gunsmith.
RECOIL CHECK: The AR-lOA2, A4, B, and all carbines, bear a three slot recoil check on the muzzle. The recoil check is threaded and pinned into place, and the end of the pin is welded to the check to prevent its removal.
HANDGUARD: The AR-10(T) employs a tubular fiberglass handguard assembly. The A2 and A4 versions accept either M16Al or M16A2 style handguards.
The AR-10(T) handguard is constructed differently from the KMC version. The handguard-locating stud is pressed into a recess in the handguard bushing rather than riveted to the tube through the bushing. Instead of a bare fiberglass end, the ArmaLite handguard terminates in an aluminum sleeve that protects the fiberglass, reinforces it, and provides a mounting point for the sling swivel.
LOWER RECEIVER: The AR-10 lower receiver follows the familiar lines of the M16 much more than that of the SR-25. The longer ArmaLite magazine catch button need not be mounted in a depression in the side of the receiver as is the M16 button used in the SR-25. The AR-10B button can be operated without removing the hand from the grip. The familiar fence protecting the M-16 magazine catch from accidental actuation has been built into the AR-10B.
The AR-10B series Lower Receiver is not interchangeable with either the SR-25 receiver or those of the first generation AR-10 or AR-10A. ArmaLite Lower Receivers are NEVER sold separately. All ArmaLite rifles are factory built.
TRIGGER MECHANISM: The AR-10(T) employs the ArmaLite two-stage match trigger as standard. The B, 'A2, and 'A4 models employ the single stage trigger assemblies, but may be fitted with the two stage trigger mechanism as an option.
BOLT CATCH: The SR-25 employs the M-16 bolt catch. This device was designed to stop the small M-16 bolt carrier assembly, not heavier AR-10 bolt carrier assembly. The AR-10 bolt catch is larger and stronger than that of the M-16/SR-25 to function with the heavier AR-10 components. It is designed to automatically catch the bolt when pressed upward by the bolt catch trip in the follower.
MAGAZINE CATCH BUTTON: Identical to that of the M-16, except that it is somewhat longer to allow it to protrude from the side of the wide AR-10 lower receiver.
MAGAZINE CATCH: An improved, machined catch with a longer engaging surface to capture the magazine better, elimination of a bevel to prevent excess upward movement of the magazine, and a longer shaft to span the wider receiver.
MAGAZINE: The AR-10 magazine is based on the magazine of the M14 Rifle. The M-14 magazine is well proven and available in large numbers. It is both stronger and more reliable than that of early AR-10 and similar magazines. It is made in 10 round capacity.
The AR-10B magazine does not bear a latch plate on the rear surface like that of the M-14 magazine. The lower receiver, however, has a clearance cut up the back of the magazine well to allow insertion of an M-14 magazine. A 20 round M-14 magazine can therefore be modified to function perfectly in the AR-10. This modification requires changes to the feed lips cutting a magazine catch opening cutting a slot down the back of the magazine replacement of the follower with a new follower addition of a bolt catch trip and spring a slight change in the follower spring.
The most unique aspect of the ArmaLite magazine is the follower. A top surface similar to that of the M16 magazine has been combined with a form suited to the M-14 magazine box. A patented spring-loaded plunger has been installed in the follower. When the follower rises to the top of the magazine box, this plunger pops into the track at the rear of the magazine well and trips the bolt catch, thus holding the bolt carrier assembly to the rear.
The magazine will continue to function in the M-14 rifle, but will not trip the M-14 bolt catch unless the AR-10 follower is replaced with the M-14 follower. The latch plate at the rear of the magazine (which engages the M-14 magazine catch) may be sufficiently weakened by removal of its upper half that it breaks off, rendering the magazine usable only in the AR-10.
USING M-14 RIFLE MAGAZINES: The AR-10B magazine is based on the proven M-14/MlA rifle magazine. A good quality metal 20 round M-14/MlA magazine can be altered to work perfectly in the AR-10B. U.S. GI and imported Chinese magazines are acceptable. Commercial metal magazines with blue finish or pressed latch plates require replacement of the shell. Fiberglass magazines (i.e. Thermold, etc.) are totally unsuitable for conversion.
ArmaLite sells 20 round magazines when available. ArmaLite will provide converted magazines for a fee or on a 2-for-1-exchange basis. Magazine conversion kits allow a customer to convert all metal M14/M1A magazines and metric FAL magazines to AR-10B series magazines.
MAGAZINE INTERCHANGEABILITY: 10 round AR-10B magazines and converted 20 round M-14 magazines will not work in early AR-10/AR-10A rifles, or in the current SR-25 rifle. Magazines for those rifles will not work in the new AR-10B series rifles. Unless converted with the reversible magazine conversion kit, M-14/M1A magazines should not be used in the M-14 or M1A after modification.
Here's what Armalite said regarding mags and the bolt catch. I can attest that the Gen2 mags are a lot nicer than the Gen1 mags.
For Caramel, I'd go SR25. If the very high price isn't an issue then you may as well get the best. I just personally cant' justify the cost. I'm very happy with my LMT and my Aramlites.
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I've heard good things about them over on the US sites.
Looks really good.
I would suspect shot from a machine rest. The shooter is just squeezing the trigger. Also why did they use Remington match ammo? I've had mediocre results with that stuff. I'd be interested in seeing what that rifle can do with Federal Gold. If it doesn't shoot Federal Gold well then 167 Lapua. Don't get me wrong that group is good, especially for that ammo. But strange they would go that route. I can only think they are using it as an ammo test for average ammo. The good news is consumers should be able to do better.
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Fireball's SASS build. I still need a part for mine. Mine is spec ie black magpul PRS stock. Although I did go with the black magpul MIAD. Fireball's has the Socom Eagle Arms lower from his AR10 on it. He bought a new AR10 lower and went with the PRS for his DND AR10.
And yet some stupid people still think this is a none hunting grade rifle because of it's evil looks. If I said it once I will say it a million times. If this rifle was non-restricted then all we would ever be talking about is AR's.
