Ergonomic Pistol Grip?
- Thread starter B
- Start date
The best pistol grip, in my opinion, is the Speedfeed.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194578
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170349
http://www.speedfeedinc.com/images/products/PGS_8.jpg
SPEEDFEED®
PISTOL GRIP STOCK SET
Designed by the leading supplier of specialized law enforcement shotguns, the SPEEDFEED Pistol Grip features a unique angle to the plane of the shotgun. Recoil is kept to a minimum, allowing shot by shot control. The set comes with forend and all necessary mounting hardware.
Pistol Grip Stock Set
* 0390 Remington 870 12 gauge
* 0392 Winchester 1200/1300 12 gauge
* 0394 Mossberg 500/590 12 gauge
http://www.speedfeedinc.com/?location=products
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194578
Last edited:
If you want to know what the speedfeed feels like, just shoot with a regular buttstock but without suporting the end of the stock.
I like the speedfeed because it handles like a regular stock but I also support alot of the blast with my front hand/arm so it doesn't really swing up when I shoot.
Ergonomic Pistol Grip: Offhand Comments
I have a couple or three 870's and have used both a Pachmayr and a Hogue Tamer. Between the two I have to give a little bit of preference to the Pachmayr as it gave firm control and had a good solid feel. Sold it with the gun it was screwed on to, to skip some haggling. The Hogue seems like it would be comfortable under recoil, but might be a little sloppy shooter; not as firm a feel. Haven't played with it much yet, but the price was right as it came with another gun I bought.
All that being said, I don't really like the cranked wrist angle either one gives overall and have always preferred a full stock for control, even with hip shots. Haven't been a pistol grip fan because of that. A pistol grip with a stock seemed to be a solution for me and add versatility to the package.
Now . . . I do like the look of that SpeedFeed . . . the angle looks much better and more manageable. Also looks like it might give a bit of an edge in overall length, and with a 12.5" bbl that just might be important. I saw one on the shelf at the local ironmonger a few weeks ago . . . and payday's coming . . . why does reading these forums always end up costing me money?
Out of curiousity, why no Knoxx products? OK, a little more than curiousity, as I just bought a Spec-Ops stock and am now wondering what's wrong with them, in your opinion?
I have a couple or three 870's and have used both a Pachmayr and a Hogue Tamer. Between the two I have to give a little bit of preference to the Pachmayr as it gave firm control and had a good solid feel. Sold it with the gun it was screwed on to, to skip some haggling. The Hogue seems like it would be comfortable under recoil, but might be a little sloppy shooter; not as firm a feel. Haven't played with it much yet, but the price was right as it came with another gun I bought.
All that being said, I don't really like the cranked wrist angle either one gives overall and have always preferred a full stock for control, even with hip shots. Haven't been a pistol grip fan because of that. A pistol grip with a stock seemed to be a solution for me and add versatility to the package.
Now . . . I do like the look of that SpeedFeed . . . the angle looks much better and more manageable. Also looks like it might give a bit of an edge in overall length, and with a 12.5" bbl that just might be important. I saw one on the shelf at the local ironmonger a few weeks ago . . . and payday's coming . . . why does reading these forums always end up costing me money?
Out of curiousity, why no Knoxx products? OK, a little more than curiousity, as I just bought a Spec-Ops stock and am now wondering what's wrong with them, in your opinion?
Last edited:
I've used the speedfeed "birds head" with the sporting forend. The feel is very similiar to that of shooting a full stock from the hip. With the extended overhang at the rear of the forend grip the front support hand is closer to the centre line of the gun. For me this is a more "natural" grip in that my hands fall "naturally" into this position. I found that when I used the shorter police style forend my hands were further apart and the gun didn't point as well. Conversely, when I used the pistol grip only style I found my natural hold to be compromised by the angle. Furthermore, the different styles use different muscles (wrist bent up with pistol, down with birds head) and I found that over extended sessions the pistol grip caused my arm to fatigue while the birds head did not.
Addenda: Recoil impulse with the two grips differs due to the location of the web of the hand. With the bird head, the web of the hand is closer to the axial (bore) center line. Recoil forces tend to drive the hand straight back. For me the recoil force is also distributed evenly in the hand which means there is no difference between shooting from the hip or high position (bringing shotgun up to shoulder level while sighting down barrel).
In the case of the pistol grip style, the hand is further from the axial centre line and recoil has a tendency to want to "torque" the shotgun out of the hand. I can only surmise it due to the fact the hand is in the bent position just gripping the stock normally. When fired, the hand can't bend upward anymore and the recoil forces tend to be concentrated in the web of the hand. You will notice that in this configuration it is easier to shoot the gun from the high position (less angle on wrist) than the low postion (greater wrist angle).
The recoil on both grips can be mitigated somewhat with the forend support hand pushing forward and the grip hand pulling rearwards prior to firing. However, I find that pushing the forearm forward is not a natural condition and that accuracy suffers. There is a reason the Hogue grip is made from "Squishy" material and that their sales blurb goes on about special cushioning in the web of the hand.
To me the perfect shotgun "pistol" grip would be the birdshead style encased in Hogue overmolded material.
Note - all my shotguns are fitted with proper stocks as I consider pistol grips "range toys" only.
Just my observations and the occasional opinion.
L
Addenda: Recoil impulse with the two grips differs due to the location of the web of the hand. With the bird head, the web of the hand is closer to the axial (bore) center line. Recoil forces tend to drive the hand straight back. For me the recoil force is also distributed evenly in the hand which means there is no difference between shooting from the hip or high position (bringing shotgun up to shoulder level while sighting down barrel).
In the case of the pistol grip style, the hand is further from the axial centre line and recoil has a tendency to want to "torque" the shotgun out of the hand. I can only surmise it due to the fact the hand is in the bent position just gripping the stock normally. When fired, the hand can't bend upward anymore and the recoil forces tend to be concentrated in the web of the hand. You will notice that in this configuration it is easier to shoot the gun from the high position (less angle on wrist) than the low postion (greater wrist angle).
The recoil on both grips can be mitigated somewhat with the forend support hand pushing forward and the grip hand pulling rearwards prior to firing. However, I find that pushing the forearm forward is not a natural condition and that accuracy suffers. There is a reason the Hogue grip is made from "Squishy" material and that their sales blurb goes on about special cushioning in the web of the hand.
To me the perfect shotgun "pistol" grip would be the birdshead style encased in Hogue overmolded material.
Note - all my shotguns are fitted with proper stocks as I consider pistol grips "range toys" only.
Just my observations and the occasional opinion.
L
Last edited:
, the more guns in the hands of civilians the better.
