Ethical Dilemma

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gitrdun said:
That's because there is a dying old code of honour & conduct that you don't understand and haven't been taught. But it does exist and many that I know live by it. Most are old timers, but some younger guys were raised by these old timers and follow their guidance. :)
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Well put.
 
Gatehouse said:
I dont' drink coffee, but if she invited me in for a beer, I woudl go. :evil:

I think it woudl be disrespectful to turn down an invitation like that. She offered you a coffee, not ###.

I treat a woman as a person, not as an extension of her husband.
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GH. It's not about ###. It's the propriety of it. If the man is not home, I was taught to converse from the doorstep. Going inside was a direct invitation to get shot at a later date. And I mean "shot" literally. Dead shot.
 
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gitrdun said:
That's because there is a dying old code of honour & conduct that you don't understand and haven't been taught. But it does exist and many that I know live by it. Most are old timers, but some younger guys were raised by these old timers and follow their guidance. :)
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I kinda pegged you as one who would understand.
 
My take on this: you were hired to professionally guide them - if they wish to hunt together, that's fine. Sleeping arrangements - guys sleep in one tent, girl sleeps in another tent you set up for her. Bathing arrangments - if she wants to go bathe in the lake, escort her there and turn your back until she is done. Once decent, back to camp you go. Separate latrines, etc. as practical expediency dictates.

You do your job - guiding - professionally - nothing more, nothing less. Morality and ethics are not part of the equation. Expediency is. You outline at the beginning the expectations/conditions for the hunt, including what is and what is not acceptable behaviour in hunting camp before they come. They, and you, are there to hunt. Period. If they object, then you can tell your outfitter that these two are not serious hunters and you're running a serious hunting camp, not Hedonism North.
 
gitrdun said:
That's because there is a dying old code of honour & conduct that you don't understand and haven't been taught. But it does exist and many that I know live by it. Most are old timers, but some younger guys were raised by these old timers and follow their guidance. :)
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Very well expressed and so important.

Huntinstuff - you have my respect for doing what you thought as appropriate.
 
in this soiciety you can never tell i know some people who are zelliots others raised in the same church are easy going and respect full

I would have to say if i worked in the same field i wouldn't be opposed to this cause it means there are more hunts women like huting and more and more are doing it your just losing buisiness i undertsand where your feelings come from but i honestly like others have said think you should naver tell that to a client
 
Just a thought: You go over to a buddies place to see him. His wife answers the door and tells you he is out of town. She invites you in for a coffee. Would you go in?
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Well - it would be more accurate to ask "if you were a plumber, and the wife hired you to do work on some broken pipes in the home and the husband wasn't there would you go in?"

This is your job, right? I mean, it's not like it's a social outing for you.
 
If you are not comfortable with it, then that's fine. If you were a mormen guide, you probably wouldn't want celebratory drinks after the kill, or something similar.

I agree with you in doing what you feel is right. I am glad you directed them elsewhere. However, if there in the business world, or just about any other situation you would be quickly accused of discrimination against women. That is sad as your intention is not that.

If at the hospital a person needs attention, that is the service provided.
If it is female, male, dressed, naked, breast feeding, or on the toilet.

I'm very mixed with what you've done. Good for sticking to your morals, bad for women hunters (?)
 
huntinstuff said:
Just a thought: You go over to a buddies place to see him. His wife answers the door and tells you he is out of town. She invites you in for a coffee. Would you go in?

My answer: Not in a million years. To me, that is inappropriate.
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That is not the same thing.

You had the option of seperate tents for everyone.

I think you're a chauvanist.
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gitrdun said:
That's because there is a dying old code of honour & conduct that you don't understand and haven't been taught. But it does exist and many that I know live by it. Most are old timers, but some younger guys were raised by these old timers and follow their guidance. :)
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No, it's because my code of honour is different.

I am not concerned about what people *may think* I am more concerned about what *actually occurs*

I think it is disrespectful to turn down an offer of hospitality.

My friends and my friends wives *trust* me. And I *trust* them.

To turn down such an offer (on moral grounds) would be to imply that I don't trust what the woman (or I) might do. And, in the case of "what if someone called my wife?" it would imply that my buddy/my wife/his wife would put more trust into gossipers than my buddy/my wife/his wife.

When I come home and see my buddies truck in the driveway, the first thing that comes to my mind is "Great, Mr Buddy is over here, having a beer with The Girl, and we can have a beer and hang out"

It is certainly NOT "I'm gonna get the shotgun, cause someone is in bed with someone else"

My code of conduct is based on TRUST, and RESPECT, not preconceived notions that unwed people of the opposite ### cannot interact without dishonour.

I view females as people, not just extensions of thier husbands or fathers. I have many female friends, and I know for a fact that they would feel uncomfortable and disrespected if I was to treat them as anything other than another human being that happened to be a friend of mine.

Hunitngstuff has different beliefs, but don't make the mistake of believing that his belief is right, and mine is wrong. They are simply different.
 
I can't really be any clearer than I have been. So I am not going to add any more to this post. I got the input I asked for and made my decision based on what is best for me.

Again I appreciate you all taking the time to add your thoughts. Thanks.
 
Gatehouse said:
No, it's because my code of honour is different.

I am not concerned about what people *may think* I am more concerned about what *actually occurs*

I think it is disrespectful to turn down an offer of hospitality.

My friends and my friends wives *trust* me. And I *trust* them.

To turn down such an offer (on moral grounds) would be to imply that I don't trust what the woman (or I) might do. And, in the case of "what if someone called my wife?" it would imply that my buddy/my wife/his wife would put more trust into gossipers than my buddy/my wife/his wife.

When I come home and see my buddies truck in the driveway, the first thing that comes to my mind is "Great, Mr Buddy is over here, having a beer with The Girl, and we can have a beer and hang out"

It is certainly NOT "I'm gonna get the shotgun, cause someone is in bed with someone else"

My code of conduct is based on TRUST, and RESPECT, not preconceived notions that unwed people of the opposite ### cannot interact without dishonour.

I view females as people, not just extensions of thier husbands or fathers. I have many female friends, and I know for a fact that they would feel uncomfortable and disrespected if I was to treat them as anything other than another human being that happened to be a friend of mine.

Hunitngstuff has different beliefs, but don't make the mistake of believing that his belief is right, and mine is wrong. They are simply different.
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Ok cool, point taken :)
 
I don't want to harsh on Huntingstuffs ethics, morality or anyone elses..I believe that what*you * think is right is what is right for *you*

But I thought i should just tell you guys what just happened, since this is in context.

I just got a knock on the door. It is my gals friend, Nina. She is a very beautiful, busty blonde.

My gf is at a music festival, There is a party in our area tonight, and Nina stopped to ask me if I wanted to to go over to the party.

Since I have been a little sick with some bug, I declined, but invited her in. I made her a strawberry marguerita (strawberries are in season) and we sat on the porch and chatted for about an hour and a half. Then she headed off tot he party. It was very nice, very fun.

There wasn't anything "inappropriate" discussed, or implied. She isn't interested in me, and I am not interested in her. My GF is fine with her stopping by whenever.

I wish that everyone could enjoy each others company without all these pre conceived notions that force us to look upon one another as some sort of moral choice.

Again, it's not up to e to tell someone how to think , or how to feel, I'm just putting my code of conduct in perspective.
 
Gatehouse said:
.......To turn down such an offer (on moral grounds) would be to imply that I don't trust what the woman (or I) might do. And, in the case of "what if someone called my wife?" it would imply that my buddy/my wife/his wife would put more trust into gossipers than my buddy/my wife/his wife.

When I come home and see my buddies truck in the driveway, the first thing that comes to my mind is "Great, Mr Buddy is over here, having a beer with The Girl, and we can have a beer and hang out"

It is certainly NOT "I'm gonna get the shotgun, cause someone is in bed with someone else"

My code of conduct is based on TRUST, and RESPECT, not preconceived notions that unwed people of the opposite ### cannot interact without dishonour.

I view females as people, not just extensions of thier husbands or fathers. I have many female friends, and I know for a fact that they would feel uncomfortable and disrespected if I was to treat them as anything other than another human being that happened to be a friend of mine.

Hunitngstuff has different beliefs, but don't make the mistake of believing that his belief is right, and mine is wrong. They are simply different.
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Gatehouse, I like your views. There's always a right thing to do when you will be arriving at home unexpectedly .... call in advance and ask.... " honey I'm coming home early and I wonder if you want me to get you something from the store?" This way one will always avoid quarreling for some shoes with an unknown character or worse... a good friend :bigHug::p:D
Just kidding.

Huntinstuff ... my hat goes off to you. Not because of your principles (which I respect) but for abiding to them.
 
The "Old ways" seem respect woman as long as they are in their place, as extensions (property really) of their husbands. I'm not sure if these "higher moral ground" types can't trust themselves, or don't trust women. Apparently in this case, what's in the pants is more important than what's between the ears.
 
bisonhd said:
The "Old ways" seem respect woman as long as they are in their place, as extensions (property really) of their husbands. I'm not sure if these "higher moral ground" types can't trust themselves, or don't trust women. Apparently in this case, what's in the pants is more important than what's between the ears.
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Ok I lied. I will add to this post again as it is clear I haven't been.

The "old ways" respected women to such a degree that putting their reputation or safety in jeopardy was punishable.......you would be considered lucky if all you got was a dirty sh*tkicking.....most times the last sunset you saw would, indeed be, the last sunset you ever saw. I tend to stick to that way of thinking.

Many think we are saying women are extensions of their husband. Just the opposite actually. Men to me are completely expendable. I appreciate other fellas and what they do, but when our time comes to go, we just go. We remember the good ones and forget the bad ones.

If you haven't been raised with the whole philosophy, it would be a bit tough to understand. But those of you who think, and type, about this being a slam on women, you just aren't listening.

Women were a gift given to man. And gifts should be appreciated/cherished and cared for. Otherwise you are considered ungrateful.
 
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