Ethically speaking . . .

kanook said:
Ruger 77/357
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Nice deer, and lucky you for being in a place where you could hunt with a pistol and a suppressor. Not to diminish the great pictures, or your successes, but I believe you said somewhere that you had been hunting in Florida. The deer down in that part of the world are much, much smaller than our Northern whitetail in general, and your pictures kind of confirm that. Takes a whole lot less to knock those guys down, don't you think?
 
carverk said:
Ethics Is a slippery slope after all we are talking about killing
Wen I was a kid I learned to hunt deer with 22lr (it is illegal to hunt deer with a 22lr )
If I had to guess I probably have seen first hand probably 60 deer killed with 22lr in my Younger days it was common practice back then
(To day I like using the 30 calaber famly especially with all the ATV booming all over the bush spooking the deer)
22lr was all we had and Evan at that we were barely able to buy 22 ammo
My stepdad and grandfather had no problem with us kids using 22lr
They taught us to be patient close the distance under 35yards and to make precise head or neck shots a 22lr do kill deer bang flop if you know what your doing
It just the way I was being Brought up as a poor kid from northern BC
Any calaber will work and consistently produce bang flop sum rifles and calibers you have to get closer and pick your shoot but don't you do this regardless of caliber
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I took my 1st couple of deer with my Cooey .22 (Flower bed specials.) and numerous deer afterwards, including 6 up in your area.Those were great times for sure. The .22lr is right at home as a meat getter when used proper, though I tend to describe it as
"pop...tip-over.";)
 
Every year I threaten to take a deer with one of my 7.62x39's, just to try it. And some of them would be handy for carrying in the bush.
Every morning I get up to go hunting, I grab the trusty old .308. I always envision the 250yd buck of a lifetime.
 
prairie lover said:
slight handicap due to penetration? the 38 55 and 30 30 with cup and core bullet will quite easily out penetrate most fast modern chamberings that shot a cup and core bullet and look how many people hunt with for instance a 270 win and off the shelf cup and core bullet. by my tests the 30-30 and a 170 gr sp out penetrates the 270 and its 130 by about 30 percent. the low velocity makes for much higher weight retention and that's wat does it. heck the 30 30 and a 170 win power point out penetrated the 7mm rem mag and its 175 power point, both factory ammo, by 30 percent in my tests.
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Interesting. What was your methodology if I may ask?
 
The hunter who is competent field marksman with his .38-55, who shoots frequently throughout the year is ethically superior to the high velocity small bore hunter who goes afield with unknown and untested ammo in a rifle he hasn't had I his hands since the previous season.
 
Boomer said:
The hunter who is competent field marksman with his .38-55, who shoots frequently throughout the year is ethically superior to the high velocity small bore hunter who goes afield with unknown and untested ammo in a rifle he hasn't had in his hands since the previous season.
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This pretty well sums it up! :) Dave.
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
I took my 1st couple of deer with my Cooey .22 (Flower bed specials.) and numerous deer afterwards, including 6 up in your area.Those were great times for sure. The .22lr is right at home as a meat getter when used proper, though I tend to describe it as
"pop...tip-over.";)
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Haahaa you wear one off them bad kids to that hunted everything with 22lr
To me the 22lr is still the king in the bush it small and slow but effective in the right hands
 
Dake21 said:
A friend of mine told me he shot a moose on the lungs with his 300 win mag and he didn't even flinch. He said it took 3 rounds before he dropped.
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Yup.

Moose do that.

Done that myself with 338 win mag and 250 grain handloads generating over 4000 ft/lbs of energy when I was younger, and I've seen it done with .375 H&H as well.

Many moose later, I know full well that a 130 grain factory .270 win round (for example) into the boiler and wait 90 seconds and your moose is just as dead.......
 
IIRC, a hunter I was guiding poured three 250 gr Silvertips from a 338 Winchester Mag into an average bull up here about 40 years ago. All of them were through the lungs. Two of them were unnecessary.

Ted
 
Boomer said:
The hunter who is competent field marksman with his .38-55, who shoots frequently throughout the year is ethically superior to the high velocity small bore hunter who goes afield with unknown and untested ammo in a rifle he hasn't had I his hands since the previous season.
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this is why I have my stand by rifles for hunting.

If I could get one of my Martini Henry set up and reliable groups I would grab that. 577/450 is a big round, 400grn 1600fps would be good for whacking a deer or 2
 
I save all my newspapers and flyers that show up in the mail and use them to test my boolits. I punch boolits into my test medium at around 20 or so yards and the paper is always wet (gets left outside on my private range) Air cooled wheelweight and pure lead (50/50 mix) at around 1800 fps will penetrate about 12" and expand to about double its diameter. This is a 180 to 205 grain boolit. If you're using a 250 or so grain boolit, would expect even better performance.

It is a very interesting study to see exactly what they will do. I suggest that the OP does something similar and try out his designs and see how well they penetrate and expand. Although, with a 3/8 size hole in the end of the barrel, I don't think that boolit shrinkage will be much of a problem.
 
first of all, good to see an active moderator around :) hii


secondly, my Favourite lever Cartridge is the .375 Winchester and I happen to load it like a hot 38-55..... 255gr hard cast boolits. let me tell a story.

last week I were up in snow country and out corner of my eye I caught a deer staring right at me from about 100m away, I very briefly jumped out of my truck and threw two rounds into the Win model 94, I sat down with my elbows on my knees and squinted through the Williams peep sight with the post bead covering the shoulder (front half of deer ), I slapped that trigger and me ol hammer struck the pin, that little 255gr FN went straighta thru himm (spine) and into a snow laden landscape, never to be seen again.
I attempted to shoot it again from 100m before I hurdled thru the snow bush and put it down with 2 more shots.

I am totally spewing the bullet didn't go into the lungs/shoulder/heart and resist some what , to be able to answer this kind of question myself...


I find penetration is absolutely 200% ..... which may be the problem causing a slower death, pin holed lungs still kinda work for a while yea?

the longest shot I have taken on a deer with this gun.
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WL
 
MajorMalcontent said:
Nice deer, and lucky you for being in a place where you could hunt with a pistol and a suppressor. Not to diminish the great pictures, or your successes, but I believe you said somewhere that you had been hunting in Florida. The deer down in that part of the world are much, much smaller than our Northern whitetail in general, and your pictures kind of confirm that. Takes a whole lot less to knock those guys down, don't you think?
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The average live weight is around 120lbs of the deer we harvest in the South where I hunt. We do have larger (and smaller) but it seems the ones I get are around 120. The heaviest was 185lbs

The ammo for my 77/357 is 158gr XTP jhp (on the heals of a 30/30 that needs to expand to get to the .358 the mag uses)

If I took the time to post all my harvest pics, weather it be with my .308 rifles or all the BP pistol harvest, the thing that would be the same is the entry wound or the exit wound. If the shot that I know works (heart shot) for me, I let them walk.

If this one shows up during legal hunting hours, I'll let you know how it works on them.
 
100 years ago, the 38-55 killed deer just fine but these were deer that had yet to evolve the armour plating which is posessed by all big game animals in modern times. Todays, one cannot, with a clear conscience, recommend anything less than a premium bullet at 3000 fps for the bigger, tougher, and meaner deer roaming the modern forests and fields.
 
Leeper said:
100 years ago, the 38-55 killed deer just fine but these were deer that had yet to evolve the armour plating which is posessed by all big game animals in modern times. Todays, one cannot, with a clear conscience, recommend anything less than a premium bullet at 3000 fps for the bigger, tougher, and meaner deer roaming the modern forests and fields.
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JEEPERS! You should have pointed this out to me when you built me my " last big game hunting rifle I will ever have built" !!
Now I have to send it back and get it re-barreled in 337 super whizbang - or whatever the latest, greatest cartridge is that is on the market!:pLaugh2
Was out last night BTW , 200 yards shooting on the same slopes I will kill my animals on this fall, thanks again Mr. Leeper!
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