euclidean Mosin sight

gewehr76 said:
These tools are waste of money. They are too flimsy to work properly, no matter who makes them. In order to move Mosin sight the armorer has to clamp the barrel in the soft jawed vise and drift the sight assembly with proper punch. Sometimes one need a bigger hammer to budge it.
Second thing is that barrel thickness varies from year to year. during ww2 they made barrels so rough and thick that even standard bayonets won't fit. Even bayos won't fit from rifle to rifle, so how do you expect this tool to work on all rifles? I won't even get in M38 or M44 territory as barrels were made out of speck as it was up to machinist at the factory to decide how much metal to take off.
Invest in proper vise and good bench, quality brass punches that will work on all future projects, that's my advise.
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With respect, some of us have had a different experience, at least with the Elby tools. In my case, a gunsmith 91-30 model has worked just fine on the (admittedly few) 91-30s it has been used on, one requiring some penetrating oil, and flipped upside-down and slipped over the sight hood on an SVT40, pushing against the sight base. I wanted the steel insert and extra thickness of the gunsmith model because I wasn't certain of the forces involved in pushing offset on the base beside the dovetail with the SVT, but in the end I doubt that I needed it. I did have to do a very little bit of clearance filing to fit one one of the rifles, the SVT IIRC.

Regards,
Joel
 
joelvca said:
With respect, some of us have had a different experience, at least with the Elby tools. In my case, a gunsmith 91-30 model has worked just fine on the (admittedly few) 91-30s it has been used on, one requiring some penetrating oil, and flipped upside-down and slipped over the sight hood on an SVT40, pushing against the sight base. I wanted the steel insert and extra thickness of the gunsmith model because I wasn't certain of the forces involved in pushing offset on the base beside the dovetail with the SVT, but in the end I doubt that I needed it. I did have to do a very little bit of clearance filing to fit one one of the rifles, the SVT IIRC.

Regards,
Joel
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Like Joel, I have had very good success with Elby and for this reason, I do endorse them.

Bruce even made my jigs when I started Smith-Sights. The man is talented. I have one of his gunsmith models for the 91/30 and it's never failed me... and I've abused it.

Out of curiosity, I tried a stainless steel version for the M44, bought from eBay. Know what? It seized. I've not been able to get the screw out. Looks like the stainless body was galled by the carbon screw. Though it didn't come lubricated, I used anti-seize to try to mitigate this.

Bruce Robinson at Elby makes the best ones. I don't know if he ships directly to Canada, but I do know that TandemKross carries his line and will ship to Canada.

Regards,

Josh
 
Pulled my m38 front sight off. But sadly there was no bottom of the front sight post to push in. Guess the only thing to do is look for piece of electrical wire cover to fit in top and file down .

Anyone know what gauge wire fits on the front sight post?
 
gewehr76 said:
You guys can make what ever you want.
I use hammer and punch sometimes chisel, these tools never fail. I make my own stuff when I need it, thus you won't see a dime out of me.
End of story.
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Very good, comrade! Your industrious nature shall prove valuable in the coming winter war!
 
Poznan said:
Pulled my m38 front sight off. But sadly there was no bottom of the front sight post to push in. Guess the only thing to do is look for piece of electrical wire cover to fit in top and file down .

Anyone know what gauge wire fits on the front sight post?
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Hello,

Yes, there is. You just have a really good sight and the post is blended to the base, usually with solder. Unfortunately, these are generally the hardest to get to move and a good chunk of the base sometimes comes off with the sight post.

The post is 2mm in diameter. Please don't use electrical wire insulation; it gives you a very coarse sight picture.

Instead, buy some 2mm electrical shrink tube, put it on, shrink it, then snip with scissors. This is the preferred trick for those not wanting to modify the posts.

I'm surprised your M38 is shooting high, though. Generally M38 carbines and PU M91/30s came with taller (by about 1mm) posts to allow for shooting without the bayonet, which was issued with neither rifle. If it's a refurb, it could have gotten any old sight that was laying around, though.

Regards,

Josh
 
Travis Bickle said:
Most people are also not actually aware that many Mosin front sites can be drifted off the base and if you flip them over you can actually see the bottom of the front post site.
It's punched up into the sight base.
The bottom of the front post pin has a slight flange to stop it from going any further up.
If your Mosin is shooting only a couple inches high, you can take a punch and a large hammer and smash the front post into the base from the bottom to push it up higher by an 8th of an inch or so.
If it then goes too high you just file it down slightly until it's exactly POA to POI.
If THAT didn't work I would probably buy a sight off the EE with a higher post for pennies vice spending $70 before tax and shipping then just file it down while shooting on the range until it was POA to POI exact lol But that's just me!
I also slowly file my Mosin front posts down on the sides to make them less than half the actual width. Improves consistency and accuracy significantly vice using the very very wide standard front post.
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This.

I found a longer sight post for free, chucked it in a drill, very carefully, and filed down the sight to half of its width, and filed slowly down until my POA and POI matched up at 100 with my surplus/reloads. Cost me nothing and I cold blued when done.

Easy peasy.

If anything, I'll be spending the money on a scout scope mount and LER scope to take this thing to its best potential. It's one of my most accurate milsurps.
 
In the spirit of competition...

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It looks much more original (made from NOS, stock sights) and is better quality than the knock-off mentioned in this thread. I put it at about half the price so those who want the original can try it out.

Josh
 
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