Ever buy a handgun on hype/ glowing review and was disappointed ?
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Been there, done that. The Gen3 G19 fit my hand better than the G17, but still wasn't right. The Gen4 G17 fits very well, so I guess when I unload a certain other bad decision, I'll look at a Gen4 G19.
What is conventional for some people/places is not the same for all!!!!
I use HK pistols as my "primary gun" so its not a problem for me...Walthers also use this method. It keeps the gun slim and they are ambidextrous. Train yourself with what you use. Button, heel, trigger guard are all common types that you have to practice with then you get into revolvers which can be a push, pull, press cylinder release. Then rifles...100s of different ways to change mags on rifles.
Nothing becomes a muscle memory over night and for most people there is no real NEED to develop one, unless you WANT to for the shooting sports anyways. It is unwise to limit yourself to only one method...I have 4 handguns and they all drop a magazine differently.
con•ven•tion
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1. A way in which something is usually done, esp. within a particular area or activity.
Title of thread.
Ever buy a handgun on hype/ glowing review and was disappointed?
I answered that question. H&K mag release is non-conventional, the vast majority of pistols use the same mag release system. H&K's system is/was a disappointment for me, glad it works for you but I think it a terrible design.
The only thing worse than a gun that requires your trigger finger to sweep the trigger guard to unload it, would be to have 4 pistols with different releases...
Picture a dynamic situation where you're reloading a gun with a mag release button, and attempt to drop the mag, with one still in the chamber.
Sh!t happens, and hitting a release that is not there(imagining that you're shooting an hk when you're shooting a m&p) could possibly result in a trigger press. Not 100% guaranteed, but likely enough for me to avoid just like the Serpa.
I like my trigger finger to do one thing when it's on the side of a gun, and one thing only. Using your thumb on the guard release is another option, but it's still too close to the the trigger for me.
I'm sure jeffcarr88 is an ultimate operator and would never make a mistake, but a simple gun enthusiast such as myself, likes to keep it simple for maximum efficiency under stress.
For most, that will be in one ear and right out the other.
For anyone interested in that concept, source some info on "Hick's Law" and the "OODA Loop".
Very interesting stuff that explains our minds in all situations, not only when it comes to manipulating guns.
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I've shot a lot of HK's under training in the past few years and I would still carry something else if I was allowed to (personal preference). I'm well used to it but still find the mag release unconventional. By the way, I use my right hand (strong hand) thumb to drop the mag, by lightly and quickly tilting the pistol counterclock wise at about 15 degres with my trigger finger on the side of the frame over the trigger guard. I would do the same on a traditional pistol's mag release with the same effectivness as on the HK (pressing the button in instead of the latch down).
For the cadets and officers that dont shoot anything else and qualify once or twice a year with it it's a good, simple, reliable and accurate pistol. For the others, like me, who own, shoot and train on more traditional pistols (and shoot them more often) it can be a different story if a stressful situation should occur and would have to reload and/or clear a stovepipe followed by feeding a fresh mag in with the HK (muscle memory)...
Again, this is my .02
I'm a LEO. So it's part of my routine training and qualifing.
One definition of a stressful situation is someone breaking into your home while you and your loved ones are there.
There are no laws against protecting ones life, only misconceptions.
I expect the general public to misunderstand this due to media hype, but as a firearms owner I take it upon myself to learn the laws surrounding my interest.
Every human being has the right to protect themselves from grievous bodily harm or death.
That is a law.
How that law is interpreted by civilians, officers, attorneys and judges is dependent on any given situation.
Competition.
Training under time limits.
Training under duress.
Training for self-defence.
Basically proper use of a gun in general? I mean, you can say that nobody needs high speed gear and we should all stand on a line and shoot benched but as far as I know dynamic training which teaches proper firearm utilization has always had situations where stress is an important factor. Whether it be physical exertion, time limits, accuracy requirments or a combination of all of the above.
What I'm taking from your post is that because we have no personal defence laws set in stone, we should not have any need for the many courses, training and competitions available to us in Canada? I have taken multiple defence courses and firearms training which has taught me firearms utilization in self defence situations and things related like muscle memory and familiarization with one's gear.
Your argument that we can't drive over the speed limit so don't have any requirment for parts on a car than can drive faster than say 100km/h is moot and redundant.
Training under time limits.
Training under duress.
Training for self-defence.
Basically proper use of a gun in general? I mean, you can say that nobody needs high speed gear and we should all stand on a line and shoot benched but as far as I know dynamic training which teaches proper firearm utilization has always had situations where stress is an important factor. Whether it be physical exertion, time limits, accuracy requirments or a combination of all of the above.
What I'm taking from your post is that because we have no personal defence laws set in stone, we should not have any need for the many courses, training and competitions available to us in Canada? I have taken multiple defence courses and firearms training which has taught me firearms utilization in self defence situations and things related like muscle memory and familiarization with one's gear.
Your argument that we can't drive over the speed limit so don't have any requirment for parts on a car than can drive faster than say 100km/h is moot and redundant.
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That makes total sense.
That's why I said anti personal protection instead of law against it. Given our convoluted firearm laws interpretation is major problem that can easily leave one broke.
That's why I said anti personal protection instead of law against it. Given our convoluted firearm laws interpretation is major problem that can easily leave one broke.
Wow, your sig is correct, obsession describes you. Note I carefully chose the wording of ANTI personal protection and not against the law. Our laws are very ANTI against using firearms for weapons even in defense.
Truthfully after the Ian Thompson case I'm more afraid of the law than the outlaw. Not sure I'd want to use a firearm even in a "stressful personal protection situation".
Sounds like another LEO/MIL??? So no civilian stuff.
Truthfully after the Ian Thompson case I'm more afraid of the law than the outlaw. Not sure I'd want to use a firearm even in a "stressful personal protection situation".
Sounds like another LEO/MIL??? So no civilian stuff.
Elaborate with this, I'm curious as to what you're trying to prove. Don't poke and leave me hanging.
You don't need to be LEO or Mil to treat shooting as a martial art. Since there's no threat to society from people constantly training to kick the living daylights out of each other, there certainly can't be any risk from people knowing how to and being able to properly use firearms, can there?
Well putting this thread back on topic. The worst I ever owned was a Colt Delta 10mm. Accurate, but had to replace way too many parts in the one year that I owned it. Broken Extractor after less than 250rds (with light reloads) Slide Stop, Recoil Spring Guide Rod, and Front Sight came out and lost within first 1000rds again with light reloads. Also the Trigger and Mainspring Housing were plastic!
