Ever shot a deer with a 223?

Actually a deer can run just fine for a while with only rear legs.

Every magnum round I've seen a friend take a deer with that blew off one of the front legs when the round exited the deer did nothing but drop the deer straight down and the deer couldn't even stand back up.

That being said I use a .243 100gr for deer.
 
All other deer I shot were with 69 grain SMKs and none went further than 10 yards.

I'm just curious how many guys have had similar experiences ranging from excellent performance with one bullet and dismal with another.

I'm rather surprised you've had acceptable results with the SMK. They are a horribly inconsistent bullet on game.
 
I'm rather surprised you've had acceptable results with the SMK. They are a horribly inconsistent bullet on game.

Well, that's what "they" say. What I've seen is quite the opposite. I think saying it's not a hunting bullet is how they sell hunting bullets. Why else would anyone buy a low BC bullet that is less accurate? It's just marketing department BS. Just like Zest rinses clean when it's the stickiest filmiest soap on the market.
 
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Every magnum round I've seen a friend take a deer with that blew off one of the front legs when the round exited the deer did nothing but drop the deer straight down and the deer couldn't even stand back up.

That being said I use a .243 100gr for deer.

I actually shot two deer with one shot with a 50 caliber muzzle loader. The bullet took out both front legs on the first deer and one leg on the deer on the other side of it. The deer with both shoulders gone, ran more than 100 yards like a wheelbarrow skidding on it's chest with only rear legs. The deer with only one leg tumbled furiously then died on the spot. Go figure.
 
Well, that's what "they" say. What 've seen is quite the opposite. I think saying it's not a hunting bullet is how they sell hunting bullets. Why else would anyone buy a low BC bullet that is less accurate?

Seirra states the match king isn't for hunting "large game" because they cannot guarantee proper expansion like a Gameking. The Gamekings were designed to have the same amount of accuracy (at hunting distances) but better expansion. That being said it's the same story as the .223, as long as you trust yourself and your rifle to place that round where it should, you'll have nothing to worry about.

I actually shot two deer with one shot with a 50 caliber muzzle loader. The bullet took out both front legs on the first deer and one leg on the deer on the other side of it. The deer with both shoulders gone, ran more than 100 yards like a wheelbarrow skidding on it's chest with only rear legs. The deer with only one leg tumbled furiously then died on the spot. Go figure.

I was joking about the legs actually being totally removed from the deer's body. I've seen this multiple times in person. :D
 
i killed a small deer with a .223 this year, and a black bear with a 223 a few years back. thats my only two experiences shooting with a 223 at larger animals, both were bang flops, but neither were B&C animals either, the ranges were short and the bullet went right where i wanted it too.

I was glad to hear this, I wont rule out a .223 / .556 for medium size game if the opportunity presents itself.
 
Actually a deer can run just fine for a while with only rear legs.

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Well, that's what "they" say. What I've seen is quite the opposite. I think saying it's not a hunting bullet is how they sell hunting bullets. Why else would anyone buy a low BC bullet that is less accurate? It's just marketing department BS. Just like Zest rinses clean when it's the stickiest filmiest soap on the market.

Well, not really. Hundreds of results have shown inconsistent expansion with the smk in flesh. I know personally however I've only killed a few coyotes with smk's with my Ultra. A couple showed zero expansion, a couple showed violent expansion.

But, to each their own. I know I prefer to look at several sources during research, as opposed to a single one.
 
Well you can vaguely refer to these hundreds of tests all you want. I believe 100% what I've seen with my own eyes. 69 grain SMKs from a 1:7 twist barrel is by order of magnitude more devastating than a 55 grain bullet from a 1:12 twist barrel. I know this because I've used both on everything from Deer to Groundhogs. Maybe you just need to see it for yourself to believe it.

There's also lots of people who have been told not to hunt with Bergers of any description and yet there's web sites dedicated to the guys who do with great success.

Check out the damage at the bottom of this article. This is the kind of damage I've seen with the 69 Gr SMK and a 1:7 twist. I can say no more.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.223+Remington.html

You cant believe everything you read, sometimes you just have to think for yourself and decide what you think is true.

I think the fast rate of rotation causes a violent action as the bullet tumbles. It's as simple as that.
 
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Well, not really. Hundreds of results have shown inconsistent expansion with the smk in flesh. I know personally however I've only killed a few coyotes with smk's with my Ultra. A couple showed zero expansion, a couple showed violent expansion.

But, to each their own. I know I prefer to look at several sources during research, as opposed to a single one.
Elaborate on which caliber your "Ultra" is.
 
I don't think it's an age thing. I think its an experiences thing, and what people have taken away from those experiences and applied.
I do a lot of root cause investigations and analysis, and one thing that is readily apparent is that a significant portion of the population draw the wrong conclusions on why things went wrong after the fact.

You're right! I'll give you an example. A guy came into the shop that I help out in asking us to bore sight his rifle. We asked what was up. He said he shot a buck but the shot was almost a foot an a half to the right, way off from where he aimed so he concluded that his scope must have gone out or adjustment due to vibration on his ATV. We checked it out and, surprise, surprise, the scope was spot on! The correct conclusion was not "the scope must be out" it was "gosh, I must have jerked the trigger".
 
Well you can vaguely refer to these hundreds of tests all you want. I believe 100% what I've seen with my own eyes. 69 grain SMKs from a 1:7 twist barrel is by order of magnitude more devastating than a 55 grain bullet from a 1:12 twist barrel. I know this because I've used both on everything from Deer to Groundhogs. Maybe you just need to see it for yourself to believe it.

You gotta stop referencing that article. I read a few of his comparisons there, and he's either cut and pasting from Chuck Hawke, or vice versa.....

Regardless of that, no need to get your thong in a knot. I merely said I was surprised at your results given the volume of shooters out there who have indicated inconsistent results (as has Sierra themselves).
I belong to a few different forums in different countries where shooters kill numbers of game we can't compete with using smallish cartridges, who report similar results. Someone who culls thousands of kangaroos in a year saying he found smk's to be unpredictable (and has the pics to back it up) carries more weight in my opinion than a guy who shot 5 deer and 10 groundhogs.

However you are connecting some of the dots, in that a 1:7 twist has higher rpm, and will initiate much more violent expansion than a 1:12 twist will, REGARDLESS of bullet used. Try your 55 in the 1:7, and I bet you'd have a different result.......





Like I said before, results, conclusions. Not everyone gets them right.

Of course, here I may be doing it myself. Should ask if you purposely built your 1:7 specifically around the 69gr smk? Or did you just settle on that bullet after trying a few different bullets?
 
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.308" caliber.


300 Remington Ultra Mag cartridge.....
No idea why it irritates me when people confuse caliber with cartridge, but it does.
It also irritates me. However, I asked you which caliber it was, not which cartridge you have. I am well aware of the difference, thank you very much. With regards to you shooting coyote with that cartridge and Sierra MK bullets, there is a good chance it will pass right through. A coyote provides very little resistance to a 30 caliber bullet traveling at ultra mag speeds.

I once read a review of Hornady's Interbond bullet. It was the 154 grain 7mm caliber. The guy complained he shot a whitetail at 50 yards with his 7mm Rem. Mag. and it passed on through! At that range what would you expect it to do? That bullet traveling at ~3000 fps had little choice but to pass through.
 
Just get the right gun and be done with it. .223/5.56 is a great round and can do the job, but its like the winter tire debate... Hunt with confidence and get a round that is much more likely to drop it right there.
 
The other thing that irritates me is people not understanding how bullets work....

That 7mm interbond, that one was probably still going too fast to expand you think?
 
The other thing that irritates me is people not understanding how bullets work....

That 7mm interbond, that one was probably still going too fast to expand you think?
I guess you irritate yourself. A bullet that is designed to hold together for deep penetration on larger animals is surely going to pass through a whitetail. I didn't say it didn't expand. Bullets can expand and pass through.
 
good thread! maybe my MVP can be more than a target gun!

With a 10 round AR mag your not only good for moose but also grizzly bear.............but get a muzzle break for quick follow up shots, although I doubt you will need any
 
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