Everyone tells me learn on a .22LR

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Seems like sound advice, so which rifle? My heart is set on a norc m305 so I'll be buying that as my first, but I also want to pick up an inexpensive .22lr for practice and learning.

Thinking savage Mk2F or ruger 10/22 but open to any good suggestion. I could spend more but it seems either of those would do?

The savage gets much love here so I am leaning towards that. The only thing that makes me think 10/22 is that as a semi it would be similar to the norc that I would also be shooting.

New shooter.

Help me decide!
 
My suggestions are either a Savage or a CZ452/455:

Buy a CZ 452/455 if you want to have it for the rest of your life. I bought a Savage and wish I'd bought a CZ. Nothing wrong with Savage, they are great, I just know that I will still buy a CZ at some point.

On the other hand buy a Savage if you want to learn some minor gunsmithing ie. bedding your own rifle. Just less to worry about as a CZ is about double what you can buy a Savage for.

My .02 cents.
 
There are plenty of good semi-auto .22s that will fit the bill. I wouldn't consider the 10/22 one of them, simply because they accuracy out of the box is okay at best. Savage and Marlin both offer great semis at less than the cost of a 10/22, and with much better out-of-the-box accuracy. CZ is more expensive than the otehr three, but with that cost comes actual quality and accuracy, unlike the 10/22...

If you want to use them to get a bit of practice in, you can get pretty much any semi-auto .22 and slap on an adjustable peep sight, good practice for the m305.
 
The 10/22 is a decent rifle for learning how to do basic mods/"builds" :D , and is capable of very decent accuracy out-of-the-box ....:yingyang:...if the goal is to work-up to an M-305 :) , the 10/22 is not a bad trainer !.......;)

That said, accuracy with a bolt-gun is a great thing to be learned with either a Savage of a CZ...:evil:....or even an old Remington of Mossberg !
 
10/22 is lots of fun. My SR22 is good for an inch at 50m when I do my part but it's so fun to rapid fire that patience needed for accuracy is tough.

My CZ455 just begs for accuracy. Can't rush a bolt. Even I can do 1/2" at 100m (cheating with bi-pod & rear bag).
 
Check out the Marlin model 60 great .22lr maybe the best for the price and accurate as well, I have one and love it. I paid $189 at wholesale sports but last time I checked they were on sale for $159, as good as a ruger 10/22 out of the box, but the ruger is more customizable.
 
http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.php/firearms/rimfire/savage/savage-mk-2-btvss-22lr.html

Savage MK 2 BTVSS .22LR


I can't say enough about this bolt action. I have the left handed version and it's great out of the box. I like the CZ as well. This one is really good looking in person and is Made in CANADA.... in case supporting local workers is important to you. The price is right as well. Put on a Vortex DiamondBack Rimfire scope and your set with lifetime warranty with an inexpensive setup.

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terrybeb said:
http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.php/firearms/rimfire/savage/savage-mk-2-btvss-22lr.html

Savage MK 2 BTVSS .22LR


I can't say enough about this bolt action. I have the left handed version and it's great out of the box. I like the CZ as well. This one is really good looking in person and is Made in CANADA.... in case supporting local workers is important to you. The price is right as well. Put on a Vortex DiamondBack Rimfire scope and your set with lifetime warranty with an inexpensive setup.

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X2,10 and 30 for that rifle.I have the right hand version and it has become my GTG.for gophers. The accuracy is outstanding on it,fit and finish are good as well as the trigger is reallly nice. That is a rifle that will last a lifetime if you look after it...Any one who has shot it loves it...I cant say enuff good things about them..:)
 
Pretty much covered above...
Pro's:
-CHEAP (to acquire, and feed)
-shooting discipline is the same, but much quieter, no recoil
-you'll have 2 guns instead of one
Con's
-you run the risk of getting a broader variance of shooting sickness: Mossberg-itis, Cooey-fever...any RTD/RTI (Rimfire transmitted disease/infection) that can affect wallets, and social lives.

Not touching the "action debate"...I suffer rimfire-osis, and love most of 'em! Try a few different rifles, pick your favourite. (this process can take decades...)
 
cigarbufff said:
22lr to .308 haha quite the diff
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That's what I was thinking. Not sure a .22lr will prepare you, but I honestly think the way a bolt-action slows you down will actually help your marksmanship skills way more than a semi will. Not to mention, you stand a way better chance of hitting what you're aiming at with a bolt-action Savage than a stock Ruger 10/22.
 
WW1 and 2 saw armies training their soldiers with .22LR version of their combat rifles. Sure the ammunition is quite a bit different in all respects, but the basics of shooting them remains the same but at a fraction of the cost.

$30 for 500 rounds is pretty good for learning the ropes of marksmanship.
 
cigarbufff said:
22lr to .308 haha quite the diff
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Not at all. Shooting a 22LR out to 300 yards is roughly equivalent to .308 at over 600 yards. Everything you learn about drop and drift with the rimfire transfers over to the centerfire rather nicely.

Using a couple of common loads and a ballistic calculator gives the following results...

22LR 40gr high velocity with a 50 yard zero in a 10mph crosswind:
200yds drop of 40", drift 17"
300yds drop of 114", drift 33"

.308 180gr Nosler with a 100 yard zero in a 10mph crosswind:
425yds drop of 41", drift 15"
625yds drop of 116", drift 36"

So you can see the numbers are very similar at double the range for the 308. Not so "diff" after all.
 
Certainly a bolt to learn on...it takes more dicipline for a "one shot...one kill" senario...ACCURACY....than a "i know i can hit it next shot" thinking. I love bolts but do shoot a semi on accasion for gophers. but targets....stick with a bolt.
just my $0.02 worth
 
Wow so much good information thanks guys. I'm talked out of the 10/22, it's great that it's so customizable but so is the 305 so I'll do my tinkering on that.

Heavily leaning toward savage. What's really winning me over is that it will be stamped "made in Canada" gotta support that!

I liked the peep sight suggestion to make the sight picture similar to the m305. Savage sells a mark 2 fvt with peep but for much more money. Should/could I buy the peeps separately?

I will not be mounting a scope on either rifle until I get the basics down with iron sights.

Another choice is the savage 64 semi. Also thought about Remington 597 but I read a lot about those jamming. I guess that's a problem for all cheap 22lr semis. I heard the savage 64 bests up its magazines.

I really like those cz's but for that price... I'd rather put the money into the m305.
 
Martin248 said:
I liked the peep sight suggestion to make the sight picture similar to the m305. Savage sells a mark 2 fvt with peep but for much more money. Should/could I buy the peeps separately?
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Well, do the math for it, really. The Tech-Sights are about $70 US, plus probably $20 shipping unless you can find it in Canada. If the Savage is close to that, probably better just to get that model and save the headache and waiting time.

Another choice is the savage 64 semi. Also thought about Remington 597 but I read a lot about those jamming. I guess that's a problem for all cheap 22lr semis.
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Not really. They'll all jam with ammunition they don't like. My Marlin 60 absolutely hates the cheap Winchester bricks; will jam every 3rd or 4th shot. The Federal bricks though, it jammed once in the last thousand rounds, and I have a feeling that was because I was using my tube-mag quick loaders and was heating things up a bit more than they were used to. :D
 
cigarbufff said:
22lr to .308 haha quite the diff
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Actually....


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http://www.6mmbr.com/rimfiretactical.html



Also, I believe the point of getting the .22 is to get comfortable with the fundamentals of firearm use, not get used to "kick" before advancing to a .308.
 
For me it's not an either/or question i plan to bring both to the range, the .22 just makes it affordable to do a lot more shooting but i will shoot both.
 
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