Everyone tells me learn on a .22LR

I learned on a 308 bolt action Winchester model 70.

That being said, after getting my Ruger 10/22 Stainless Target model and spending a winter indoors at 20 yards (without a bunch of other people also shooting) well that's when I really learned to concentrate and my accuracy went up significantly. Especially for shooting 5 round groups. The 22LR really shows you quickly and cheaply how much of a difference the ammo and other components make. The only mods to that 10/22 that I made were a one piece Leupold scope base, the trigger worked on and a scope that can parallax down to indoor 22 ranges.

That Spring I went out with a 308 Remington 5R milspec. The groups I shot were sub .4 moa Centre to Centre. 100 yards, 5 round groups. Everything you learn shooting the 22LR translates perfectly to the 308. The push/recoil on the 308 is fairly slow so the follow through you learn on the 22LR still works well. Sight picture, trigger control, matching ammo to the rifle, breathing etc all work the same.

The Savage rifles have great reports for accuracy and price. I'm not a huge fan myself based on the fit/finish. The mag release for instance bugs me, and the overall bolt design while it works doesn't really do much for me. That being said Savage has started to really up their game the last number of years. I don't think you would do wrong with the ones suggested.

CZ 452 etc. Nice rifles. Would also work and excellent fit/finish. You can go all the way to Anshutz, Walther, Kimber, Suhl etc etc. The sky is the limit.

Now for the semi auto debate. I don't agree you need to learn on a bolt action. I think that's the FUDD talk based on 10 years ago semi autos accuracy. Today's semi autos are fairly accurate and more so than many of the bolt rifles 10 years ago that would have been recommended to learn on. Keep the 10 round mags in. Let the person every once in a while get the spray and prey out of their system, then back to precision work.

If you can find one, I highly recommend the T/C R55 Benchmark semi auto. It's everything the 10/22 should have been. Solid steel receiver, screw on accurate bull barrel, decent although a bit heavy trigger, and last shot hold open. Oh and I've shot a few of them now that will hold 1mo or slightly below at 100 yards. 5 rounds, with fairly inexpensive CCI standard. These rifles shoot like a CZ452 or comparable bolt action right out of the box.

The main advantage of the 10/22 are it's ability to be modified, and frankly that 10 round rotary mag. The mag really makes the rifle. With those mags I don't get fail to fire or other issues.

Any of these solutions with some time put in will work for you. Look at what you want and your budget. Also keep in mind you will probably shoot your 22LR the most out of any gun you own. So why go cheap? Same with optics. You will likely change the optics and keep good optics for an exceptionally long time. Save up and get something good rather than something cheap.
 
Seems like sound advice, so which rifle? My heart is set on a norc m305 so I'll be buying that as my first, but I also want to pick up an inexpensive .22lr for practice and learning.

Thinking savage Mk2F or ruger 10/22 but open to any good suggestion. I could spend more but it seems either of those would do?

The savage gets much love here so I am leaning towards that. The only thing that makes me think 10/22 is that as a semi it would be similar to the norc that I would also be shooting.

New shooter.

Help me decide!

Go with the Savage MKII FV-SR... it is a really nicely configured bolt action at a great price. A bolt is a great way to learn, and the FV-SR has proven accuracy... here's mine below;

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Seems like sound advice, so which rifle? My heart is set on a norc m305 so I'll be buying that as my first, but I also want to pick up an inexpensive .22lr for practice and learning.

Thinking savage Mk2F or ruger 10/22 but open to any good suggestion. I could spend more but it seems either of those would do?

The savage gets much love here so I am leaning towards that. The only thing that makes me think 10/22 is that as a semi it would be similar to the norc that I would also be shooting.

New shooter.

Help me decide!

I've own both and I would recommend the Savage. I learned on the Ruger 10/22 but if I had to do it again, I would go Savage Mark 2. I find the savage more accurate for the money and learning on a bolt action I find helps you really make your shots count. Just my $0.02

You really can't go wrong with both though.
 
Thanks again guys. Just placed my order for a Savage Mark 2f. I will probably order those GI style peep sights to make it similar to the m305's iron sights.

Almost talked myself into a CZ they look really great but decided to put the extra $300 towards ammo instead.
 
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I learned on an old Cooey but thats back in teh day. Please learn on a bolt action, you will learn patience and shooting with irons pays off dividends trust me.

Good advice for teaching kids. Not necessarily applicable for adults (although I've seen some cases where that's debatable).

For adults you can learn iron sights on a pistol. It translates over. With a 22LR rifle when you're shooting Lapua SK or some other more expensive/harder to get ammo chances are you're going to be patient. The semi auto allows you to keep the same sight picture without moving your head after each shot. You just need an accurate semi auto. Only an accurate rifle will give you the feedback to let you know what's going on.

Bottom line any of the rifles mentioned will do the job. Which one interests the person the most? Let's be realistic it's not really a bolt vs semi question. You'll be owning both eventually. :D
 
Thanks again guys. Just placed my order for a Savage Mark 2f. I will probably order those GI style peep sights to make it similar to the m305's iron sights.

Congrats. I put some weights at the rear inside the plastic stock, now the rifle feels much more balance.
 
I'd get a Ruger. I have a Stainless Laminate Carbine and I love it. Great System to learn on. Mine shoots consistent 1 inch groups. Maybe not a target rifle but it has enough accuracy for plinking at the range. If you getting a Semi-Auto m14 style the Ruger 10/22 is a practical choice.

Savage make a good semi-auto as well. I think they are based on the old Cooey? Winchester 64. You can really go wrong with any .22 rifle. Cheap for shooting and practice.
 
Thanks again guys. Just placed my order for a Savage Mark 2f. I will probably order those GI style peep sights to make it similar to the m305's iron sights.

Almost talked myself into a CZ they look really great but decided to put the extra $300 towards ammo instead.

Smart move. I love my MKIIF as it shoots groups similar to my CZ452 Style and Varmint on most days (sometimes better:)). $300 in ammo = 5,000 shots....should make a marksman out of you.
 
If you have your heart set on M305 get it and practice with that. The recoil on a .22lr and a m305 are a mile apart. The 300 you spend on a .22 rifle could go to a bunch of .308 for the M305. I don't think you will have much fun with a .22lr and then you have wasted that money. You can always pick one up down the road.
 
All my research has led me to Marlin xt bolt ,and marlin 795 semi cheap reliable learning tools ,mossberg 702 honorable mention
however if sky is the limit then you have alot of choices
cheers
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If you have your heart set on M305 get it and practice with that. The recoil on a .22lr and a m305 are a mile apart. The 300 you spend on a .22 rifle could go to a bunch of .308 for the M305. I don't think you will have much fun with a .22lr and then you have wasted that money. You can always pick one up down the road.

I've ordered an m305 as well, off the EE :) I'll have both rifles this week I hope. If it turns out I don't enjoy the .22lr I can trade or sell it and get most of the money back, so while you're right it cost the equivalent of an extra 500 rounds of 308 it's not quite the same thing.

This way I can spend a reasonable amount of money for an afternoon at the range shooting both rifles.

Plus, now I have two rifles :) How can that be bad! I also want to buy a .223 so that I have a range of calibers but the .223 rifles I like are all very expensive, so I'm starting with the norc and the Mk2f.
 
22lr to .308 haha quite the diff

Actually... There's not that much difference, other than the recoil/noise/range of the cartridge.

There's no secret to being a good rifle shooter. You need to be able to do the exact same thing, over and over again... And the best way to develop skills (and muscle memory) is to practice.

A 22lr will allow you to focus on your trigger release, shooting position, reading the wind, without having to worry about the recoil/noise associated the centerfire cartridge. A 22lr will allow you to become familiar with your scope and other equipment, without the recoil/noise associated the centerfire cartridge. A 22lr will allow you practice to your hearth's content... without having to worry about the cost associated with the centerfire ammo.
 
Actually... There's not that much difference, other than the recoil/noise/range of the cartridge.

There's no secret to being a good rifle shooter. You need to be able to do the exact same thing, over and over again... And the best way to develop skills (and muscle memory) is to practice.

A 22lr will allow you to focus on your trigger release, shooting position, reading the wind, without having to worry about the recoil/noise associated the centerfire cartridge. A 22lr will allow you to become familiar with your scope and other equipment, without the recoil/noise associated the centerfire cartridge. A 22lr will allow you practice to your hearth's content... without having to worry about the cost associated with the centerfire ammo.

Very well stated!!!!!!! Cheaper to shoot so you can shoot the heck out of that rimfire to figure out the shooting mechanics that works best for you. I now two guys that have flinches because they started with too large a caliber, that is a b*tch of a habit to break. I started rimfire as is my son to try to make sure he has a solid shooting mechanics base before he move up in a year or two.

Learn properly the first time and never look back.
 
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