Experience with RWS Club ammo?

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I picked up a box of the RWS Club ammo to test out in my Savage MkII BVSS, thinking it might be a good "semi-match" round to try. At 100 yds, on a perfect windless day, it gave me really nice groups, except that almost every group had 1 flyer. My groups with Standard Velocity CCI stuff (its favourite "cheap" ammo) are not quite as tight, but then I don't get any flyers.

Has anyone had a similar experience with the RWS or any similar results with another ammo?
 
have used rws rifle match and it was very consistant but not cheap. was going to try club as its cheaper but maybe not now. how many groups did you shoot. maybe not enough to get rid of the cci lube? i would try again as at 100 yrds wind can mess up your groups.
 
chappy said:
have used rws rifle match and it was very consistant but not cheap. was going to try club as its cheaper but maybe not now. how many groups did you shoot. maybe not enough to get rid of the cci lube? i would try again as at 100 yrds wind can mess up your groups.
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I only fired 1 box. It was a very calm day - extremely rare around Ottawa, and the CCI stuff gave me consistent results. It is very possible that the CCI lube may have been a factor, as I was using it among the RWS - 1 or 2 groups of each. I also fired a few groups of Aguila and S&B. One thing about the CCI stuff, it is consistent, if not the tightest grouping. One of these days, I should run my pet ammos through the chronograph.
 
rkm456 said:
How many rounds were the groups?
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5 per. Out of 10 groups, I'd say I had 7 flyers. None with the CCI. I didn't measure the groups, but I'd guess the CCI were around 1 1/2" per, and the RWS just under 1" for the 4 shots - which, if they were consistent 5-shot groups, I would be ecstatic about, considering the rifle/scope and, especially, shooter combo. It's just so bloody hard to get a calm day around here, I can't often really put myself to the test with the r/f.
 
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Papaclaude said:
I picked up a box of the RWS Club ammo to test out in my Savage MkII BVSS, thinking it might be a good "semi-match" round to try. At 100 yds, on a perfect windless day, it gave me really nice groups, except that almost every group had 1 flyer. My groups with Standard Velocity CCI stuff (its favourite "cheap" ammo) are not quite as tight, but then I don't get any flyers.

Has anyone had a similar experience with the RWS or any similar results with another ammo?
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I have had pretty much the same results..
 
Your experience with the RWS ammo is not necessarily surprising. It's RWS's most affordable entry level ammo. With the CCI SV you may have a very good batch of ammo.

Often the more affordable the ammo, the more frequent the fliers. Even expensive ammo can give fliers, though not as often. Another thing to keep in mind is that the more affordable the ammo, the more likely the ES is going to be higher. For standard velocity ammo, every 10 fps difference in MV results in about 1/4" vertical spread. With RWS Club it's not impossible to have an ES of 100 fps, even more.
 
I found the same results with RWS as well as a couple other premium brands. Overall CCI performs pretty good, and is a lot priced to boot.
 
grauhanen said:
Your experience with the RWS ammo is not necessarily surprising. It's RWS's most affordable entry level ammo. With the CCI SV you may have a very good batch of ammo.

Often the more affordable the ammo, the more frequent the fliers. Even expensive ammo can give fliers, though not as often. Another thing to keep in mind is that the more affordable the ammo, the more likely the ES is going to be higher. For standard velocity ammo, every 10 fps difference in MV results in about 1/4" vertical spread. With RWS Club it's not impossible to have an ES of 100 fps, even more.
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At $8.00 a box, it's more than double the price of my CCI. Too pricey for that kind of QC. I may try another box next time I'm at that LGS, but I think I'll use the Eley for my serious shooting, even if it's substantially more, and stick to the CCI for my less "serious" shooting on windy days.
 
best results when trying different ammo is to not mix it up. shoot only cc then shoot rws. gives you best results as 22's are definitely ammo sensitive. i find if try say different kinds of eley the lube is the same and you don't have to wait to see the results.
 
Recently I traded rimfire ammo with another 22 shooter at the Bonnyville range. He seen I have a target pistol and gave me ten rounds of RWS Pistol Match ammo.
I shot it at 25 meters and I was very impressed with my group despite my only fifth visit to the gun range with this pistol so far this summer. It seemed more accurate than my usual use of SK Rifle Match and much cleaner to handle too.

It appears that RWS classifies it's ammo via a 213 XX XX manufacturers number on the outside of the box. Some people believe it's a lot number and they would be in error.
 
Papaclaude said:
At $8.00 a box, it's more than double the price of my CCI. Too pricey for that kind of QC. I may try another box next time I'm at that LGS, but I think I'll use the Eley for my serious shooting, even if it's substantially more, and stick to the CCI for my less "serious" shooting on windy days.
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As noted above, you may have a good batch of CCI SV.

Although ES is not the only cause of shots that seem out of place, CCI SV can have as wide an ES as RWS Club. Of course there are other factors with regard to the ammo itself that can be associated with an errant shot and it's not possible to know which one or combination of them contributed to it. It should also be noted that, while disregarding any possible role the shooter may have had, the rifle itself may throw more fliers with some ammo than with others.

Additionally, to get more reliable target information it would be very desirable to test one brand of ammo at a time, cleaning the bore between varieties and firing some fouling shots before testing a different brand. Results can be affected quite a bit by mixing ammos without giving each one the same clean and fouled bore to travel through, especially when testing at 100 yards. Mixing ammos and shooting only a box of each may not produce reliable results.
 
Brutus said:
It appears that RWS classifies it's ammo via a 213 XX XX manufacturers number on the outside of the box. Some people believe it's a lot number and they would be in error.
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I haven't shot much RWS ammo, but I do have some RWS Super Pistol 250 that is handy to check. There is a number stamped on the end flap of each box of 50. Perhaps that's the lot number.
 
Well it's not the same but I understand why Eley Edge brand name 22 LR discontinued.
Initially shot ok at 25 meters through my Hammerli pistol. However a few tries at 50 revealed dismal performance. SK Rifle Match handily out shot this Eley at 50. This Eley Edge has virtually identical performance of Federal blue box standard velocity 22 LR in my handgun.
 
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