Expression of interest: Krieger 18.5" M-14 Bush Barrels

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I have been in discussions with Krieger regarding the availability of their short 18.5" M-14 barrels, as these had been discontinued in spite of persistent interest.

I can obtain these with a committment to purchase 20.

The specs are as follows: Standard stainless Match quality M-14 Heavy profile (including new op rod guide) with shortened barrel at 18.5 finished inches. These will be availabe in 10, 11. 0r 12" twists and will be suplied with .308 short chambering and are threaded for the flash hider.

***For those that are not aware, these are M-14 barrels designed for the USGI M-14 or the Springfield M1A. Norincos have metric threads on their flash hiders and gas cylinders. USGI parts are required here. These barrels DO thread into the Norinco receiver. Finish reaming/throating is required. If you are considering one of these upgrades, do yoursef a favour and use a competent M-14 plumber. Speak with "Hungry", or take his advice.

Price will be $425 US plus applicable taxes and $15 to ship to you. Final Canadian price will subject to the exchange on the date on which the order is placed. (i.e., as of today that is $456.00)
If you want one of these barrels, please email me (riflebarrels@telus.net) and use SHORT M14 BARREL in the subject line.

I will gather names for one month. If we have sufficient interest, we will place the order and I will require pre-payment from you. If you are not committed, PLEASE don't bother. The threshold is 20 and no less.

PLEASE do not use CGN PM's as I do not respond to these.

Cheers,

Ian

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Krieger makes a super product. Those of you wishing to get a Krieger project going, I'll be happy to help you get started! It's truly a thing (barrel) of beauty.

Kinda reminds me of when I de-horned and then beadblasted, and then re-parkerized my Norinco M1911 Single stack 9mm. :D

Then I bought a SIG P226R..... what an impression of finely crafted metal, that SIG I mean. Hey, it's a different snack bracket! But what a thing of beauty. I shoot the SIG all the time, even if I miss my 1911 9mm single stack boomsticks.

The Krieger is one of those things in life you save up for. Give up smoking or drinking :eek: if you must, but stepping up to a Krieger barrel is serious business!

Gas cylinders from Norc and Poly M14's will work, but the gas cylinder lock must be of USGI specs. These are not expensive and are a Brownells proposition for under $ 15 landed (give or take). Flash suppressors from Sproingfield can be obtained, but that's around $ 100ish (give or take). A USGI threaded castle nut is under $ 10ish and a set screw is about a $ 1.00 outlay. Remember that by the time you wrestle that Zhinese Kommunist flash suppressor off, it might be mangled... :rolleyes: OR it might just tap off the barrel depending upon which grade 9 high school student spot welded it on there in the first place. :p

I dunno about you, but I'm a flash suppressor snob. I LIKE the bayonet lug on there! It's nice to look at while holding your Poly/Norc/Sproingfield while watching Full Metal Jacket's Gunnery Sgt. R Lee Ermy say, "Do you suck dzck, Private Pyle?".

Or at least watch Vince Donoffrio (early years) suck his thumb, trailing the marching platoon, other hand holding the barrel, M14 inclined and reversed on his shoulder with his pants at his ankles!

Okay, seriously.... I'm glad as heck that we have opportunities to land these barrels here in Canada because one of these years before I die (read: get run over by a school bus at my high school), a Krieger barrel is on my bucket list!

PM me if you have any questions, I'll be happy to advise strategies to prevent #### loss! :D
 
How will that work with the Norc sloppy bolts and are they short chambered enough to take up headspace issues? Bolts are harder to come by than barrels.

Hungry here: Yes you nailed it... that's my guess. With a short chambered barrel, I'm guessing/imagining/visualizing that the Norc bolt will headspace perfectly with a short chambered Krieger NM barrel.... maybe a bit of finish reaming. And YES, I do have a .308 finish reamer of the pull-through kind JUST for M14's and M1 Garands! ;)
 
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FWIW, I know of several users that have Norc bolts in their upgraded rifles. Hungry knows what he is doing and I definitely recommend you get in touch with him regarding any potential upgrades.

Cheers,

Ian

BTW, we have 6 people wanting these barrels so far.
 
If you are making up shorty M14 barrels, here are some things to think about;

1.] why not order them at 18 3/4" [ build in a small 1/4" margin for error, and add in the ability to clean up a muzzle if it gets dinged]

2.] if they come with the 1/2" X 28 TPI threads at the muzzle, instead of those three fussy to cut slots and steps in the barrel OD, etc usually found at the muzzle of the 22" M14 barrels, then the barrels should be somewhat easier to manufacture. This might even drop the price a bit, and most of the shorties end up with the almost universal 1/2X28 thread at the muzzle anyhow.???

3.] OR,
since these would NOT be chrome lined barrels, ports could be cut DIRECTLY into the barrels ...
so you don't really need an add on muzzle brake or the muzzle threadsat all except for GHEY = Look Cool Factor with a flash hider.
AND of course, the muzzles would now be "politically correct" aka "Californicated"

4.] Are the shoulders of the barrels going to be square, or undercut 1 degree? Square means they must index = DRAW PERFECTLY, and will probably be a hard fit = professional gunsmith with lathe. An undercut barrel shoulder allows some adjustment for variations in the receivers, and can be fitted quite often as a drop in [ with variations of torque = adjustable draw ]

5.] are the chambers / throats going to be 7.62 NATO or .308?

6.] are you planning on using a short chamber depth best suited for Chinese bolts?
Since MOST of the Chinese bolts are ground too short, the bolt/chamber headspace combinations are a usually way too long [ .010" to .020" OVER .308 GO, with average at about .012"].

Short chambering the barrels about .010" - .015" under .308 GO makes a LOT of sense. That way, many of the problems with the Chinese 14s having overlong headspace with the original Chinese bolts, can be fixed with a simple barrel replacement, instead of trying to find one of those increasingly rare US GI bolts. If you get lucky, no further reaming might be required. And if the chambers are too short, a teensy bit of reaming can set headspace perfectly.

SO, chambers that are too short, are actually PERFECT for the Canadian M14 market, where the vast majority of 14s will be Chinese.

HOPE THIS HELPS,
and remember,
YPMMV,
& FREE Advice on the internet may be worth a lot less than you paid for it.
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great news Ian.
I'll be emailing you.
I am also set up for full installation and chamber reaming for the krieger barrels thru my m14Doctor dealer services. I've built several krieger-ized m14 rifles for guys over the past year and they have all been exceptionally pleased with the rifles. Krieger is the pinnacle of rifle barrels, if you are after as much accuracy as you can ring out of one of these rifles, a krieger pipe fits the bill in spades. My last krieger build was consistantly cloverleafing 5 shot groups at 100 yards with run of the mill federal 150 gr sp , under the size of a loonie :rockOn: mind you that was a full 22" medium contour barrel.
 
i might be interested as well but I also need to know when the money is due because I just got a JAE-100 stock, ARMS 18 mount, ARMS 22 rings, an Accu-Shot bipod and monopod and a turner sling in the same week for my M14 so it was kind of a big hit on the credit card

The Krieger is in projects as well but i wasn't planning on doing it that soon!
 
I am ready to go TODAY:D. Got my TRW bolt last week (thanks Hungry) and I am chomping at the bit. Still haven't heard back if the order is a go or not. If the short barrels don't go, I am in fo one of the 22 inch barrels either way.
 
Would one of you M14/M305/M1A guru's answer this question ... will my SMITH MUZZLE BRAKE thread onto one of these Kreiger 18.5 barrels? Please help! :D

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

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Don't know about the smith brakes yet. I e mailed Ian last week and never got a reply. He says the end is threaded at the start of this thread, but threaded for what he didn't say. Since it is a short barrel I am going to assume it's not going to be set up for the full length flash hider. Bottom line is we don't know. I am just hoping that he has enough commitments to do the order and I'll deal with the brake later.
 
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