External hammer sxs question

Beautiful!! Not likely you'd ever beat that price either. Good job snagging that deal!

I only wish makers of these models would realise they need to be fitted with straight stocks (grumble, grumble).
 
straightshooter said:
Beautiful!! Not likely you'd ever beat that price either. Good job snagging that deal!

I only wish makers of these models would realise they need to be fitted with straight stocks (grumble, grumble).
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Do you know what models your TOZ's are? I have a Tula 16 gauge. I corresponded with a fellow from Russia and he believes mine was made in the period 1922 to 1932 but he was leaning more to the early 20's. He said it is a TOZ-B and wears barrels from before WWl. It too has a POW grip and 2 1/2" chambers. It has a short length of pull though but I was told it likely came out of the factory that way. It is a nice little field gun.
 
This one is a V. Bernardelli also but Brescia model, rather than Italia. Its a 12 ga. from the 60's with full length 20 ga. Briley tubes and Prince of Wales grip. Had it on the EE for a while but no takers. I shoot it well so don't know what I was thinking - probably was to rationalize another purchase.
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LE303 said:
Newbie question Just kicking around an idea . I like older firearms . I,m not looking for newest , flashiest piece .
What is a exposed hammer sxs shotgun that can take 3 inch shell , slug and buckshot
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Myself i am looking for one in 3 inch, i have not found any yet.
 
gunsaholic said:
Do you know what models your TOZ's are? I have a Tula 16 gauge. I corresponded with a fellow from Russia and he believes mine was made in the period 1922 to 1932 but he was leaning more to the early 20's. He said it is a TOZ-B and wears barrels from before WWl. It too has a POW grip and 2 1/2" chambers. It has a short length of pull though but I was told it likely came out of the factory that way. It is a nice little field gun.
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That's always been in question. I've never seen a specific model number on a document with this model pictured. TOZ-66 is the model number most often associated with the model. My 12 gauge indeed has "TO3-66" engraved at the breach end of the barrels, next to the rib on both sides. The rest of the space is filled with a simple "IoIoIoIoI" pattern.

My 16 gauge has "6M-16" engraved on both barrels in that same position. And, has the same "IoIoIoIoI" pattern the rest of the way.

My 20 gauge has a different pattern that looks like pineapples in that space, and no numbers or letters of any kind. It does have the TOZ triangle logo on both barrels, above the pineapples, which neither of the other gauges have.

If you weren't aware, these guns are stocked in Birch. I've refinished all 3 of mine and they can be quite nice with a dark walnut stain and a hand-rubbed finish.

ETA: The stocks on mine are all in the 14 1/2 to 14 3/4 range, so yours was probably shortened. And, yes, I agree wholeheartedly, these are excellent field guns in every way. They're practically indestructible, yet they're well balanced, well regulated, reliable and scandalously inexpensive. Parts might be an issue. I've owned all 3 of them for 10 years or more, torn them apart to refinish them, and have never needed a replacement part. Barring abuse, I doubt I'll ever need parts for them. But, for me, the open hammer style and little touches borrowed from the Brits (such as the rounded edges on the receiver that make one-handed carry at the balance point possible) are the bonus. For non-steel purposes, this model is a well kept secret.
 
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I'm not sure my stock is birch. My buttplate is also steel and it fits the contour of the stock like it should. Of course it could have been ground down to fit if it was shortened. The fellow I corresponded with was Aleksei (Humpty Dumpty on other forums) and he said it was not unusual to see short stocked guns at the turn of the century as he said a lot of people back then were of a smaller stature. Plus they often allowed for clothing that might be worn while shooting. Of course this is speculation.
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That's walnut, for sure.

The butt plates on all 3 of mine are a redish-brown melamine with the triangle Tula logo on them. My guns appear to be a lower grade production version of yours. AFAIK, mine were '50's vintage. If I had to guess, I'd suspect that yours was hand made at the Tula factory 30 years before mine. I just posted this shot of them:

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Nice group of Russian doubles. A few years ago I had another Russian hammer gun, probably from the 60's. Don't know the model but it had a different style forearm that you usually see. It fit me like a glove which I was very surprised at. Should have kept it but it took 2 small men and a gorilla to #### the hammers.
 
I have a newer Baikal coach gun. 2 3/4" chamber with exposed hammers and 20" barrels. I think it is a pretty nice gun for the price. Far more gun than the Norincos; much better finished, and tougher than the than the Italian imports that would compete against it at that price point. Not crude, in the slightest, as some people seem to infer about Baikal. Baikal also makes very high grade guns. Mine is not, but regardless, is quite pleasing, with good wood to metal fit, very good metal fit, and cut checkering. The end of the barrels could have been finished a bit better, as it's in the white where the barrels were cut. One trigger is a bit heavy, if I was to pick on it a bit. Came with interchangeable chokes, and sling swivels. Changed the front sight to a fiber optic bead, and put a 5/8" shotgun sling on it. Overall it's one of my favourite guns.
 
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