F-class 7-08 improved instead of 284

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a fellow shooter was commenting about trying a 7-08 AI or improved with 162 or 180 grain bullets for recoil over the straight 284 for f-class, not sure how this would work. Thinking that a 284 may recoil more even though less wind drift. Not sure where he is headed with this project but anybody have any thoughts on the 7-08 AI or improved with heavy bullets at about 2900 for the 162

the lapua brass in 308 palma would be used with the small flash hole for extra brass strength

thanks

Jefferson
 
Any recoil calculator can give your friend a good idea of the differences. I'm curious why he is looking at using the 7-08 AI to shoot essentially the same class of bullet as the 284. What did he see as the pros/cons of the 7-08 AI?
 
he had problems with the straight 284, brass problems (should have had a bump die) and some have said the 284 has issues around the base being a rebated rim when you overload it, and also thought the recoil would be less or different, not sure on that if the 180's are goping the same speed the recoil would be the same would it not

Jefferson
 
if you move the same mass at the same speed, the recoil will be very close. Variation in a few grains of powder isn't going to amount to much in the overall recoil energy.

The 7-08AI will never come close to matching the 284 for velocity. The case is simply too small.

If there are concerns with pressure in the 284 (not uncommon), go to a larger case.

280's, 280 improved, 7RSAUM, and WSM's are very popular because you have the case capacity to hit 2900fps without much fuss. Faster is of course possible but that can be tough on bores.

I built a version of the 280improved which I call the 7 Mystic. Works great, excellent speed. Very accurate. I did this when there was a "no magnum" clause in F class and I had a solid supply of 30-06 brass.

If the chambering is done properly, rebatted rim case will show no more pressure case expansion then a full rim. The key here is that pressures are so high, something is moving in the action allowing the case to stretch. Or expanding the brass beyond its elastic limit - very high pressures

It can most certainly be done and shooters have reported hitting 3000fps. Tuning was wonky but it got that fast. Don't know about the brass but I doubt it would have survived more then a couple of firings.

The 284 should be a 2800'ish case with the 180's. The Shehane closer to 2900fps. Quite a number of shooters have found these nodes to be superbly accurate, dead reliable for tuning.

Now don't get me wrong. Speeds are all over the place with some 284's going faster then Shehanes. Just whatever the tuning of the barrel ends up being but the speed range is about the same.

for the 7-08AI, the 162/168gr family is likely ideal. Should reach 2900fps in a long barrel. 180gr likely around 26/2700fps.

There is another great node in this range so not the end of the world to go a bit slower. More wind drift - YES. More bore life and less recoil - YES.

Eeny, Meeny....

Jerry
 
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