F-Class and BCRA/DCRA futures?

AbbeyHill said:
F'ers get chaired at the ORA. :D
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We chair everybody in NB too. I thought it was telling when Gen Romses asked why the winning F'er wasn't chaired off at CFRC 2009...

Not to sound too much like Rodney King, but I think we need to be bigger than the petty members of the old guard. We don't have enough shooters in any dicipline to alienate anybody that doesn't do it to themselves (there are certainly some of those).
 
We don't have enough shooters in any dicipline to alienate anybody that doesn't do it to themselves (there are certainly some of those).

Well said Mat.
 
How many Provinces have the silly NO SKY rule?
Military ranges, to which we have access through our PRA's are not subject to such.
Private ranges in Qc for long distance are subjet to this, which makes even thinking of buying land and building a private range out of reach.
 
I think it is from the RCMP document... but I'm guessing :)

8.4.1 LOCATION OF OVERHEAD BAFFLES
The first baffle forward of any intended firing line shall be located no more than 5 m forward of that firing line. Subsequent downrange baffles are placed such that “no blue sky” is visible beneath the first baffle from all intended firing height(s), at all intended firing locations; refer to Figure 44: Type I Baffled Range.

Type II baffled ranges do not require ground baffles. However, the overhead baffles must be of sufficient height and placed to ensure that they capture any ricochets achieving a 30° angle of departure from the range floor. In addition, these baffles are positioned such that “no blue sky” is visible from any intended firing height, from anywhere in the firing area; refer to Figure 45: Type II Baffled Range.

10.1.3 LOCATING RANGE(S)
It is recommended that target areas not be located on the crest of hills or rises (e.g. on the skyline). It is recommended that, when practical, the VAofF for the shooter-target alignment be approximately horizontal or that it be depressed below the horizontal.


With good proper standing range orders, you can get away with more... like... you can not close your bolt until you are in position and on target (thus aiming at the berm) and this would give you more leeway I would think.
 
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KODIAK,
you are right about the RCMP document.
So if you were to build a new 900m range, what guidelines would you be forced to use?
Here the SQ is mandated by the Federal to enforce the law. In the Provinces where the RCMP are the police and also the enforcers of the range building rules would they not refer to their own document?
 
I would check with the local CFO in the province I lived in and see want he wants.

It really depends on the terrain and type of range you are building, Standard, gallery, baffled, no safety area, field firing range as the RCMP doc states. The doc is a guideline only, not law, but the CFO may think differently.

Personally, I think it is a pretty good doc and it has some nice diagrams of butts and the different types of frame systems in use today.
 
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I applaud this thread. :rockOn:

I agree that splintering is no good option and that working with the DCRA is our only rational option in that regard. Besides I'm sure we all have friends who happen to be TR shooters who we enjoy comradery with at shooting events.

The only peace we can find is to gain the high ground on a Provincial level and get F Class guys voted in to displace incumbent organizer positions.

In that way F Class frustrations can be addressed by people who dont see F Class guys as an unwanted guests at thier party.

It's probably going to happen naturally over time anyway, as TR guys fade out and F'er numbers rise.
 
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For as long as TR and F-Class remain hobbled together, F-Class will never grow to its full potential. Technically they are growing more divergent from TR, there are huge opportunities to grow the sport such as a true unlimited class, Tactical F, and Sporter class, but when you are blackmailed into status quo because the TR-run "senate" actively and vigorously opposes this sort of growth, you're buggered.

The day we can run our own matches, chart our own destiny and have access to facilities on par with TR, then our sport can develop into something incredible. Until then, we remain those uncivilized, ill-mannered and slovenly people that infest what were exclusively just TR matches 25 years ago. Try playing lacrosse in the middle of a hockey game and see how it feels.
 
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Obtunded said:
For as long as TR and F-Class remain hobbled together, F-Class will never grow to its full potential. Technically they are growing more divergent from TR, there are huge opportunities to grow the sport such as a true unlimited class, Tactical F, and Sporter class, but when you are blackmailed into status quo because the TR-run "senate" actively and vigorously opposes this sort of growth, your buggered.

The day we can run our own matches, chart our own destiny and have access to facilities on par with TR, then our sport can develop into something incredible. Until then, we remain those uncivilized, ill-mannered and slovenly people that infest what were exclusively just TR matches 25 years ago. Try playing lacrosse in the middle of a hockey game and see how it feels.
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LOL

A most interesting point! :nest: Maybe more of the shooters will get involved in the decision making process ? :cool:
 
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I think the CFRC is a poor judge of true numbers; I have bitterly complained for years that it is way too expensive and way too long. I know these combinations have made it all but impossible for the BC shooters. We send 1 or 2 of those with the means and the time.
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Sounds like NSCC. It takes a week to do what a regional does in a weekend. And it is not on a weekend. If the army sends me I go, but on my own it would be to much leave used for the amount of shooting.
 
He's talking about SR matches 1-12.Here in BC they get run pretty much in one day.At NSCC they take much longer.Pistol and sniper are run on other weekends altogether.
 
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