Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
Then you have ALREADY LOST...
Jerry
Jerry
F Class with short barrel?
- Thread starter Robbs
- Start date
JohnL has been to several of the BCRA Precision Rifle championships at Vokes range, and seen the genrerosity of fellow competitors first hand..............on the other hand he(like myself) have also seen the ugly whiney,self serving side of a few of the competitors............
In 2007 my rifle went down with 3 relays to go, and a shooting buddy (Thanks again Swampy!!!!
.....) shared his rifle with me so I could finish the match and have a respectable finish (Our team placed 2nd in Civilian class).............
Been there done that, even before the internet. Human nature is human nature. Tried IPSC in the 80's. Didn't have a three to four thousand dollar rig at the time and was reminded of that when I shot. Some guys were wonderful, most not. Jerry, yes I shot at Chilliwack 08, 09. was fun for sure, got caught up in the arms race ie Schmidt and Bender scopes and pricey tac rifles etc. Had a hard time justifying a sub $10,000 rig to shoot once a year. Tried even archery 3D competition. Had a gear malfunction, no one wanted to help me, their reasoning was if they helped and I beat them they would be upset
Don't even get me started with the Trap crowd. I like almost all types of shooting, I go try out for fun or practice, but as soon as it becomes a sanctioned event, name the discipline, I'm out.... tired of my fellow shooter's human nature. Been there done that and yes got a couple of T-shirts to boot.JohnL has been to several of the BCRA Precision Rifle championships at Vokes range, and seen the genrerosity of fellow competitors first hand..............on the other hand he(like myself) have also seen the ugly whiney,self serving side of a few of the competitors............
In 2007 my rifle went down with 3 relays to go, and a shooting buddy (Thanks again Swampy!!!!
Skullboy is right. Rob and his freak partner
Slavex are awesome guys to shoot with or against. You guys and a few others (Big Ed, Unibomber etc) are the exception to a shooting discipline by making guys feel welcome and are happy to help, if I lived on the lowermainland I think tac rifle would be the one organized sport I would make an exception to and stick with.You forgot black flies. Was trying to shoot the other day and finally gave up and cracked open a beer. Couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and was worried I would kill one of my cows from the involuntary twitches....
Sorry trying for some humour.... Sounds like at F-class shoots there are some gems and some a-holes-- kinda like the rest of life. Love the gems ignore the a-holes and move on.
That just my opinion though... I still want to try an f-class shoot though mostly to get some more of that humility stuff.
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Well said.
You know Jerry, you can’t suck and blow at the same time. Very nice try though.
On one hand you are painting a picture as though all shooters should present themselves for an F-Class match fully prepared to sacrifice themselves for humanity while on the other side of your mouth, you are whining about people who you think don’t have a winning attitude.
Pick a side buddy. Suck or Blow.
You are trying to claim the moral high ground here and there isn’t one. You are crucifying guys for entering a match hoping to win against their piers on a level playing field.
People should know the difference between a practice event and a Provincial or National Match. There are shooters who would consider it discourteous for a guy to show up at a provincial championship with some old service rifle and mil surp ammo. While according to the rules he is welcome to attend, this person could be interpreted as having no regard for the committed competitors he will be shooting with.
When a serious shooter rolls his eyes when a guy walks by with that full wood Enfield, it’s not because he is arrogantly looking down at the guy. It’s because he knows that rifle will be pulling down scores for all the guys who will be shooting next to it and they are not wrong to feel this way. There’re not stupid and not wrong to see it coming.
It’s a wonderful world that guys like you are out there in fifth place with your big shoulders and rose colored glasses but you have no right to dictate and promote that loose commitment to the sport degrading the sanctity of match competition to the detriment of others who are serious about it.
All shooters are always welcome at practice events without question, but when a beginner enters a match who shoots so badly that he is instrumental in pulling high scoring shooters out of contention, he should not be expecting a big sloppy kiss at the end of it.
To this point there are even provisions in the rules to limit bad shooting during a match. When a shooter misses the target 3 times in a row he is required to step aside and let the others in his squad play through. That shooter would then have the target to himself after the others in his squad were done. This rule is in place to protect the other shooters.
It is rude of you for attacking me for explaining this culture to the members of CGN. I played no part in the development of the competition format in this country, this situation is simply a product of the way matches are conducted here, not my attitude or lack of pretty sun glasses. You should learn to deal with that reality, not me.
So please Jerry pick a side. Suck or Blow but not both. Is it match competition or just a nice opportunity for you to shake you little finger at the guys and find fault among those who take the sport seriously?
On one hand you are painting a picture as though all shooters should present themselves for an F-Class match fully prepared to sacrifice themselves for humanity while on the other side of your mouth, you are whining about people who you think don’t have a winning attitude.
Pick a side buddy. Suck or Blow.
You are trying to claim the moral high ground here and there isn’t one. You are crucifying guys for entering a match hoping to win against their piers on a level playing field.
People should know the difference between a practice event and a Provincial or National Match. There are shooters who would consider it discourteous for a guy to show up at a provincial championship with some old service rifle and mil surp ammo. While according to the rules he is welcome to attend, this person could be interpreted as having no regard for the committed competitors he will be shooting with.
When a serious shooter rolls his eyes when a guy walks by with that full wood Enfield, it’s not because he is arrogantly looking down at the guy. It’s because he knows that rifle will be pulling down scores for all the guys who will be shooting next to it and they are not wrong to feel this way. There’re not stupid and not wrong to see it coming.
It’s a wonderful world that guys like you are out there in fifth place with your big shoulders and rose colored glasses but you have no right to dictate and promote that loose commitment to the sport degrading the sanctity of match competition to the detriment of others who are serious about it.
All shooters are always welcome at practice events without question, but when a beginner enters a match who shoots so badly that he is instrumental in pulling high scoring shooters out of contention, he should not be expecting a big sloppy kiss at the end of it.
To this point there are even provisions in the rules to limit bad shooting during a match. When a shooter misses the target 3 times in a row he is required to step aside and let the others in his squad play through. That shooter would then have the target to himself after the others in his squad were done. This rule is in place to protect the other shooters.
It is rude of you for attacking me for explaining this culture to the members of CGN. I played no part in the development of the competition format in this country, this situation is simply a product of the way matches are conducted here, not my attitude or lack of pretty sun glasses. You should learn to deal with that reality, not me.
So please Jerry pick a side. Suck or Blow but not both. Is it match competition or just a nice opportunity for you to shake you little finger at the guys and find fault among those who take the sport seriously?
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Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
I am still really unsure what the shooting ability and scores of another shooter have to do with my scores whether on my squad or not?
As I said before.
You have Already Lost...
Jerry
PS... the word you are looking for is SPORTSMANSHIP.
As I said before.
You have Already Lost...
Jerry
PS... the word you are looking for is SPORTSMANSHIP.
The guy that show up with a full wood Enfield is allowed to shoot the match because he paid his entry fee just like you did.
I worry about making a good wind call, getting a good sight picture and breaking a good shot when it is my turn to shoot. What everyone else is doing and where they are hitting the target does not really concern me. When shooting 3 to a target I only worry about keeping the scope of the person that shoots after I do, I have no idea what the third persons score is.
The Eastern F-Class Regionals is coming up. I don't see your name on the list? This would be about as level as a playing field that you can get for F-Class Competition, yet you are not attending?
I worry about making a good wind call, getting a good sight picture and breaking a good shot when it is my turn to shoot. What everyone else is doing and where they are hitting the target does not really concern me. When shooting 3 to a target I only worry about keeping the scope of the person that shoots after I do, I have no idea what the third persons score is.
The Eastern F-Class Regionals is coming up. I don't see your name on the list? This would be about as level as a playing field that you can get for F-Class Competition, yet you are not attending?
I agree with Jerry and Maynard. I don't see how a "bad" shooter can be instrumental in pulling high scoring shooters out of contention. If you are going to blame someone else because you got a 9 vs a v bull etc and cost you the competition maybe you learn to focus rather than placing the blame on Johnny with his Lee Enfield. Thats what consistent winners have, focus as well as skill and don't make excuses. I am responsible for my own shots and nobody else. If I make a bad call and pooch a shot and blame it on a "bad " shooter, what am I going to blame it next, the wind changed?
Bob Pastor
CGN Regular
- Location
- Gobles, Michigan
It's not hard to shoot a 1.4" group when you shoot and score your own target behind closed doors. Especially when you put the targets up and take them down yourself.
Not one person in the IBS believes that Tom shot that group in a record match.
Bob Pastor
CGN Regular
- Location
- Gobles, Michigan
12 years ago I was invited to shoot F Class in Canada with the ORA and was welcomed with open arms. Do not feel unwelcomed. Just take your rifle and go have fun. Most of the guys are more than willing to help a new shooter.
You mustn't shoot much F-class if you can't see how. At every squading a real F-class competitor is assessing his partners and hoping for a skilled one. Your partner's shooting ability can leave you out in the wind to deal with many more wind changes than the squad that is done in half the time. When a meet is won by 1 point or V count, your squadded partner really does make a difference and anyone saying it doesn't is either disengenuous or stupid.
NormB
Total BS Norm. I have seen guys like Des, Jimmy P, and Alain being the last guys to get up off the line. All of them shooting 3 to a target with different partners and some of them being cadets. Take a look and see where they have finished on the prize list at the DCRA in the last 10 years. Or the Bisley Prize list or their scores in Palma Matches.
If you are letting another shooters lack of skill or speed (that isn't up to your standard) get under your skin during a match, you really need to find another sport. F-Class here in Canada follows the timings of the commomwealth or ICFRA rules. Unless a shooter is taking over 1 minute (not 45 seconds any more) to fire a shot they are still within the time limit. You do not have to fire your shot as soon as the target hits the top.
Now everyone on this public forum will know that if they want to throw you and BadAsMo off your game, all they have to do is just take their time between shots.
This year I believe during the ORA the F Class shooters will be squadded with TR shooters including cadets. Should be a fun match. Bring your crying towel.
If you are letting another shooters lack of skill or speed (that isn't up to your standard) get under your skin during a match, you really need to find another sport. F-Class here in Canada follows the timings of the commomwealth or ICFRA rules. Unless a shooter is taking over 1 minute (not 45 seconds any more) to fire a shot they are still within the time limit. You do not have to fire your shot as soon as the target hits the top.
Now everyone on this public forum will know that if they want to throw you and BadAsMo off your game, all they have to do is just take their time between shots.
This year I believe during the ORA the F Class shooters will be squadded with TR shooters including cadets. Should be a fun match. Bring your crying towel.
And you think this is fair?????
The fact that one shooter is allowed to influence the performance of others is total BS.
A shooter should be permitted to shoot without being hassled or mind F%%$CKED by his competitors.
This is clearly an indication that there is something very wrong with the shooting format!
I just cant understand the thick headed stubbornness to cling to such an ill conceived concept and habitually reject a simple common sense solution.
F-CLASS IS NOT TR !!!!!!
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If you want to change the style of format in any event. Bring it up with the F-Class rep that is on council. Come up with a proposal and if you want to volunteer to run a new format, present it to the members of council at the program meeting in the fall or at the AGM, then you will have floor and then you can discuss it in front of everyone under "any new business to the match program". Then the council will take it under consideration and discuss it with the programs committee. The past years that I have been to the AGM, I have not seen you at the AGM to bring your issue up or the F-Class rep.
+1. I have always thought that we need to get more people involved in competitive shooting of all types. To do otherwise will have a great negative effect on shooting as a whole in the next couple of years.
There are a number of federally imposed obstacles that get in the way of shooting sports without shooting styles, and individual clubs adding more. But of course, if you are uber-concerned with the 1 point loss a new competitor may have cost you, the best way for you to stop that is to chase people away from the sport right?
