Fabarm 11"?

Anpaul said:
Thinking about replacing my 590A1 (20 inch with ghost ring and magpul SGA furn.) with a 14' Fabarm.

Is the quality on the Fabarms worth the upgrade? My 20 is longer/heavier than I have need for, but I'm not that familiar with the Fabarm line.

In terms of quality, how does it compare to Mossberg/Rem/Benelli/etc?

Apologies if this has already been covered!
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No question the Fabarm has better machining/refinement over the 870 and 590a1. .... although I don't have a problem with the machining on the 870P and 590a1.

About my only complaint with my Fabarm 14" SDASS(?) is the lack of accessories. All I really wanted to do to it was a shorter LOP (so I cut it down to the Hogue length & added an R3 Limbsaver) and an oversized safety .. (no one makes one).

The one thing I don't like about it is with the LPA sights the comb is too low. Needs a cheek riser of some sort but that's easy to fix.

I suppose in some way I regret buying the Fabarm simply because I don't need it but would probably loose too much on it to bother. So I've resigned to the idea of nothing wrong with having another quality short SG laying around when the zombies come ..

As for comparing to 870 & 580a1:

- you simply cannot beat the options for the 870. (keep in mind I'm comparing to real 870p's not expresses)
- about the only problem I have with an 870 is the riveted ejector. Short of that it's a well designed, reliable and for the most part easy to operate SG.

- I pretty much like all the design features of the 590a1's (except the bolt release position, prefer it on the 870 and Fabarm) but IMO the 870's have a better trigger.
- IMO don't bother with the 20" 590a1's. All one really needs is the 18.5" with the 2 shot extension. It feels less wieldy and is unnecessary for the role of this SG.
- many bash on the 590a1 utilizing an aluminium receiver .... well, so does the Fabarm and I don't see any #####ing on that point.

If I HAD TO choose ONE:

- it would be an 870p. The quality and reliability are there but the options are hard to beat.

In your case, I'd recommend getting a 14" barrel kit for your 590a1, add an XS big dot front sight and call it a day.
 
Appreciate the feedback Madashell.

Given the option of buying new, would you recommend a 14' 590A1 or something in the Fabarm line?

Seems that the cost of a barrel conversion puts the 590A1 at or above the cost of a Fabarm.
 
Anpaul said:
Appreciate the feedback Madashell.

Given the option of buying new, would you recommend a 14' 590A1 or something in the Fabarm line?

Seems that the cost of a barrel conversion puts the 590A1 at or above the cost of a Fabarm.
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Fabarm STF/12 is rock solid and a tactical beauty... 590A1 is rock solid and more workmanlike. I love my Pro Forces 14", just gorgeous and smooth as butter. Do what I did, I bought one of each.
 
Anpaul said:
Thinking about replacing my 590A1 (20 inch with ghost ring and magpul SGA furn.) with a 14' Fabarm.

Is the quality on the Fabarms worth the upgrade?

In terms of quality, how does it compare to Mossberg/Rem/Benelli/etc?
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Absolutely it's worth the upgrade.

After owning a couple 870P, both with factory 18.5" barrels and Dlask 12.5" barrels, and both barrels (and action) fitted with Scattergun Technologies/Trijicon Ghost Ring sights (RE04), I can tell you with certainty that they're nowhere near as refined as the Fabarm mentioned. At the time I had an 870P with above mentioned barrels, Fabarm Martial Pro Forces 14" and Fabarm Martial Pistola 11". I compared them for hours and hours. Ease of disassembly and reassembly, overall feel and quality and most importantly to me, weight. Fabarm won every round. I sold the 870P and 14" Fabarm, and kept the 11" Fabarm (now I have two 11" and am waiting to purchase a 3rd one hopefully in the next week).

As good and classic as the 870P is - and it is - it's still heavy as shi*t and rattly. The Fabarm is much more refined. As for available accessories, the 870P is like a Honda Civic.. Sure the Fabarm have almost no options but who really cares. Take a look at my pic again on page 1 - why would you practically need more than a good LOP adjustable stock and sling!? Realistically you don't. I've carried this thing in Grizz country and 4+1 Brenneke 2.75" Green Lightning is fine with me. Anything more and you'd probably wish you stayed home. And it's not like you're going to war. Besides if I want more slugs than that I'd take my M4 which shoots 8 :)

As far as Fabarm vs Benelli.. I think they are very close with Benelli having the slight advantage. And although the Fabarm and Benelli M4 both come with LPA ghost ring signts, the Fabarm's come with fiber optic inserts that greatly Trump the silly white dots on the Benelli's.

And last but not least, I hated how the 14" Fabarm had the rear LPA sight screwed onto the picatinny rail, vs the 11" which is screwed onto the receiver. The 14" was too high and I couldn't get the sights to aim low enough at 25 yards, even after bottoming out the rear and fully raising the front post. This was the case with my friends 14" model too. But it must be just ours because nobody mentioned it here yet so.. The 11" models are perfect in this regard.

My only issue with the 11" is that I can't hunt in BC with it (12" minimum) :(
 
Anpaul,

I can't argue with anything st1264 or pazzo are saying.

Except for maybe pazzo's comment on the 870p's weight. That really comes down to it having a steel receiver. Obviously the aluminium receiver Fabarm & Mossberg prove steel is not totally necessary, I'm not so sure it's a bad thing either. So yes, the 870p is heavier but I don't find it to be a significant issue.

Guess it pretty much comes down to budget. If you have the extra as st1264 says get both ! But that's not always reasonable of course. However, in your case the most cost effective path is to get the Mossberg 14" barrel kit. Sure, the 20" 590a1 + 14" barrel kit puts you into Fabarm territory, but you also have the option of selling the 20" barrel kit and that puts you at pretty much zero in the end to go to 14".

So base it on your realistic budget to head toward where you want to go with it. I currently have an 870p, Fabarm and 590a1 all in 14" (plus some other various length SG's). Us first world gun guys tend to do the totally unnecessary to be honest.

There's nothing wrong with a 14" 590a1. I'd be totally comfortable if that were the only shotgun I owned. Sometimes I really do think I should only have one and a handful of key spare parts just to simplify.

Good luck with your decision.
 
Anpaul said:
@Madashell:

I didn't think the 20" barrel kit would be worth much. What do you think it would fetch on the EE (w/ghost rings)?
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I'm not the right guy to ask since I really don't keep up with the E&E too much, but I would imagine it would be in the ball park of the 14" kit.
 
madashell said:
I'm not the right guy to ask since I really don't keep up with the E&E too much, but I would imagine it would be in the ball park of the 14" kit.
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I sold my BNIB Mossy 500 28" hunting barrel (dual bead, ribbed, w/chokes) for $165 shipped on the EE.

A whole 20" kit (barrel and front end) used, maybe $225 asking price on the EE, sell for a little less. Just a guess, but I think a choked hunting barrel is much more desirable to more people (especially during hunting season).

One good thing about the Fabarm barrels, is that they are threaded for chokes.
 
st1264 said:
I sold my BNIB Mossy 500 28" hunting barrel (dual bead, ribbed, w/chokes) for $165 shipped on the EE.

A whole 20" kit (barrel and front end) used, maybe $225 asking price on the EE, sell for a little less. Just a guess, but I think a choked hunting barrel is much more desirable to more people (especially during hunting season).

One good thing about the Fabarm barrels, is that they are threaded for chokes.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound unreasonable. In the end this route still saves some $$ moving the 590a1 over to a 14".

Indeed, I would agree the threaded barrels are probably more desirable.
 
lanis said:
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Lol
Here ya go.








The more I shot this gun, the more I love it. Its just such a slick piece of equipment. My only complaint at all... well two of them, both minor. The safety is small, I wish I could get an oversized version, but there are none. That I know of. And, when i installed the side saddle (5 round) I had to remove the sling loop between the stock and receiver. Not a huge issue, ill just attach the sling to the stock, but I wish I could have kept both.

Other than that, love the gun. I want the breacher brake next.

Sorry about the upside down pics, photobucket sucks.
 
Damn those look good, I'd be all over one if only the irons worked better for me.
 
It has a top rail. So you can add any red dot you want. I have an RMR and MRO. So I will try them. Plus I will add a surefire x400 hopefully soon. Then it will be one badass shotty.
 
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