Fail Safes

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You have more faith in somehting other than an X bullet or a Partition? Or are you reffering to BR's post?

I have complete faith in partitions and X's, after seeing awsome performance from both :D
 
Gatehouse said:
You have more faith in somehting other than an X bullet or a Partition? Or are you reffering to BR's post?

I have complete faith in partitions and X's, after seeing awsome performance from both :D
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Gate_House, never question me. :) thanx
 
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I meant I don't have faith in the Fail Safe. The X or Partition are great, as are the Accubond, Grand Slam, A-Frames, and Interbonds.

My buddy dumped a moose @ 250 yards last fall with two shots from his 300 WSM (180 gr. FS factory load). First shot in the lungs, the bull trotted forward and stopped, second shot to the neck dropped it. He might of shot a dead moose, but its never a bad idea. :idea:
 
I have a few 300WSM factory Failsafes, but I never used them for hunting. I didn't trust them, after what your pots said...

Also, some of the m proved to be too hot in my rifle, and I had to yard on the bolt to extract them.

I find it interesting that Ross Seyfried, whose opinon I think is pretty valuable, since he has seen thousands of animals die, describes the fail safe as the best bullet inthe world.

But hell...I don't think everything he says is gospel, either. I jsut know he has shot more game than I...
 
they chrony'd @ 3020 fps avg out of his 24" stainless m70, and shot a .8 moa group at 200 yards. I was very impressed. bone stock rifle, tupperware and all

I am not sure of the difference between the black Lubalox "black talon" and the newer "CT" moly Fail Safes. :?:
 
Were the ones you used black talons or the new generation Fail safes todd?
Lots of reloaders don't realize that there are two different Partition bullets the Partition and the Partition Gold C/T :shock:
The Partition Gold C/T differs from the Partition in that it has a long ogive bullet, a heavier mid-jacket and steel cup over the lead core in the rear section...it also has a Moly coating. These bullets are pretty expensive so I have not tried them out anybody use these :?:
 
Gatehouse said:
I have a few 300WSM factory Failsafes, but I never used them for hunting. I didn't trust them, after what your pots said...

Also, some of the m proved to be too hot in my rifle, and I had to yard on the bolt to extract them.

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Me too :evil: I think they were trying to beat the Winnie, Assclowns.
I found the old Partitions were quite accurate so I loaded up a couple boxes of 150 and 180 Partitions for hunting. The interesting thing about bullet choice is WHO you get the info from. I have heard of failures with every bullet and also when you hear a bunch of bad reports on one type, someone will say they love 'em. Don't sweat it and hit them in the boiler room... just not with a MatchKing :lol:
 
BIGREDD said:
Were the ones you used black talons or the new generation Fail safes todd?
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They were the black talons.

The Partition Gold C/T differs from the Partition in that it has a long ogive bullet, a heavier mid-jacket and steel cup over the lead core in the rear section...it also has a Moly coating. These bullets are pretty expensive so I have not tried them out anybody use these
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the non-moly Partition Golds are about $2-3 more than regular Nosler P's. Not too bad. :idea:
 
i use the failsafe 140 grainers in my 270 and they work awesome accurate too...i shot one into a pail of gravel at 12 yards for testing and it didnt lose any petals at all...they blow right through deer and kill em dead. i dont think winchester/combined tech. wouldnt sell them if they failed..
 
viper said:
so guys what do you think would be good for a 300wsm.
I'll be shooting around 40yards for bear.

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180g Nosler partiton
180g Nosler Accubond
180g Hornady Interbond
180g Speer grand Slam
180g Barns X Triple shock

200g partition
200g accubond

There are many other good choices but that should get you started. Take your pick :D
 
I have mixed feelings with the failsafe, have shot them for awhile and find them to be very accurate. One buck I shot in the chest dropped instantly with great results, have also shot right through boiler room broadside and almost not even a flinch with delayed effect on game and minimal trauma, I am leaning towards switching to the Accubonds personally. I think that bullet is better suited to penetrate heavier African plains game with thicker skin than Canadian big game. I also read somewhere that many law enforcement marksman, (snipers) prefer it for it's shootability through glass, winshileds etc... and accuracy.

cheers,

BB :)
 
The game I have seen shot with failsafes all died rather quickly, and without a lot of fuss. With no flame intended, instances where game is hit but not recovered often points to poor bullet placement as opposed to bullet performance, except perhaps with catastrophic bullet failure as occasionally seen with varmit bullets.

Instances where game is hit well and travels some distance before expiring may be a matter of animal physiology, as opposed to bullet performance. It has been my observation that a lung shot deer may travel 20-40 yards regardless of the bullet used (or cartridge for that matter). For example, the last deer I shot with a 6mm 95 grain ballistic tip went a similar distance to the one I shot this fall with a X bullet in a .45-70 - both broadside mid lung hits.

Shed petals off an X type or failsafe bullet do not overly concern me provided the shank remaining is long enough to continue to traveling in a straight line for deep penetration. These shed petals may often cause large amounts of internal damage. If you have ever weighed a recovered nosler partition, you will find they often lose 30% or so of their bullet mass, and you will rarely find anyone complaining about their performance on game.

The size of hole on the offside skin does not really concern me either. For one, if the bullet actually exits, it means there has been adequate penetration, and secondly I have notices that deer skin is quite stretchy, so a small appearing hole may not actually be as small as it first appears.
 
While elk hunting with 165 gr FailSafes in my .30-06, I had a couple white tail does taken for the freezer - both through the shoulders - surprizingly little meat damage - and both went down quickly within 30 feet. I'm in agreement that they're better suited to bigger game, but will do the job if properly placed on smaller game such as deer.
 
I haven't tried the fail safe yet. I used the accubond and I will not use them again until Winchester can prove to me that the problems with the tips falling off in my magazine is fixed! I don't know if I will try the fail safe now or another type,
any suggestions.I'm using 7mmWSM.
 
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