Fake Chinese Zeiss Zielvier Scopes Scopes - How to Spot Them in a Second . FAKE!!!

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On the Scope Tube where it says JENA, if it does not say Carl Zeiss right above it and is empty in the shield, you got it, it's a Chinese made reproduction.

If it looks new including the mount, it is new and right off the boat from China.

They will be trying to sell them as Original German WW2 when they are not. Buyer Beware out there and on the internet!

That means Wake Up, Open Your Eyes and Smell the Coffee

http://www.photogearetc.com/imglib/images/sniper_scope_/german scope 1.jpg


http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZF-39-ZF39-...n-Army-WW2-K98-mount-NEW-in-USA-/120980083618
 
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Good post Greg.

Closing the other thread was bad judgement. If we can't discuss misrepresented or fake rifles that what good is the forum?

It was the seller that started getting rude.
 
Interesting article about the 5 different types of german sniperrifles. I quote from ht tp://gunsmagazine.com/5-german-sniper-systems/

"Next the Germans experimented with siderail mounts for sniper rifles. First came the short siderail (SSR) type, 2.5 inches long. The base was secured to the rifle by means of three screws. This was not considered a sturdy enough system so the long siderail (LSR) style, which was 1 inch longer, was tried next. The manner in which the base was bolted to the receiver for LSR’s varied. Mine has three screws with two pins. The LSR sniper rifles are the toughest for counterfeiting because the left action wall of the K98k’s receiver was made 1/8-inch thicker than normal. Then the siderail was milled flat so the LSR base could fit tightly against it. K98k actions for LSR mounts were built from the very beginning to be sniper rifles with only two manufacturers undertaking to produce them. (Those were Gustloff Werke and JP Sauer & Sohn). Furthermore, those made by the first company also had a checkered steel “sniper” buttplate made expressly for the LSR equipped rifles."



Also the butt plate should be checkered.
 
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There were some fake scopes out of the Ukraine sold on EBay with or without LSR sniper mounts. The scopes were marked Zeiss Jena and the mounts were waffen amt 359

The mounts were easy to spot as fake - the scopes not so - especially if aged.
 
I can see these "off shoots/fakes" (whatever you want to call them) becoming more and more common.

As companies use China to do their manufacturing I see Joe China just keeping the presses running for a day or two extra and sell the exact same product at a deep discount.

A number of optics companies have moved their production to China or the Philippines yet they keep their prices up there with the few domestically produced products.

So if Company A is not going to pass along some the labour cost savings and the CH Ina company finds a way to get the same product to market at a drastically lower price, there is going to be a market for it.

After all I don't think companies like Vortex or Bushnell are having their scopes made in China because they can't get quality workmanship in North America and their prices certainly don't reflect the fact that a worker in the Chinese plant gets paid as much per month as the Leupold plant worker makes in a day for a similar product.

It's splitting hairs, but I don't tend to see "non-chinese" made products being reverse engineered and then sold cheap - it seems almost exclusively to be 1) stuff that is mfg there, but they kept the line running after the main order was done or 2) someone has knocked off the product and then uses china to produce it.
 
galamb said:
I can see these "off shoots/fakes" (whatever you want to call them) becoming more and more common.

As companies use China to do their manufacturing I see Joe China just keeping the presses running for a day or two extra and sell the exact same product at a deep discount.

A number of optics companies have moved their production to China or the Philippines yet they keep their prices up there with the few domestically produced products.

So if Company A is not going to pass along some the labour cost savings and the CH Ina company finds a way to get the same product to market at a drastically lower price, there is going to be a market for it.

After all I don't think companies like Vortex or Bushnell are having their scopes made in China because they can't get quality workmanship in North America and their prices certainly don't reflect the fact that a worker in the Chinese plant gets paid as much per month as the Leupold plant worker makes in a day for a similar product.

It's splitting hairs, but I don't tend to see "non-chinese" made products being reverse engineered and then sold cheap - it seems almost exclusively to be 1) stuff that is mfg there, but they kept the line running after the main order was done or 2) someone has knocked off the product and then uses china to produce it.
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Chinese optical quality is still the bottom of the heap. Scopes get made there and sell for a premium due to the tacticool crap on them, and people with little experience buy them up. Philippines make decent optics for the most part though.
 
Actually, there are only about 3 main manufactures of glass for most rifles scopes brands today and they all buy from one or more of these optics companies! This video might help to explain the situation -

 
Just looked at that eBay listing...

"5 available, 1 sold"

Who the h e double hockey sticks has 6 of the real ones, in mint condition, just kicking around that they can put on eBay?

Is there any way someone can report the fellow and get his listing turfed and, ideally, his account locked?
 
grelmar said:
Just looked at that eBay listing...

"5 available, 1 sold"

Who the h e double hockey sticks has 6 of the real ones, in mint condition, just kicking around that they can put on eBay?

Is there any way someone can report the fellow and get his listing turfed and, ideally, his account locked?
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the seller on another account probably bought the 1 lol :p
 
Thanks for the post and looking into those scopes for the other members here Coyote.

Seeing how the other thread was closed, for future clarification if I understand the CGN policy correctly:

EE rants will not be tolerated -- but selling fake/humped up firearms on the EE is perfectly fine and will be left unmoderated?

On other firearms and collector forums, it's always fine to openly discuss items posted for sale.

Regards,
-Steve
 
pearcetopher said:
who cares they are probably of high enough quality anyway
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As it happens, most of the GENUINE Milsurp Collectors and interested parties CARE. We CARE about cheap knock-off crap being represented as genuine. We CARE about people trying to foist these off to the unsuspecting people who do not know the difference between a genuine and a fake article. We CARE about the honesty and trust of the Members of our Hobby and that honesty and trust is reflected by those dishonest people.

We even CARE about the mish-mash of communication that is supposed to be sentences.

"Who cares? They are probably of high enough quality."

There -- I fixed it for you.
 
CanadianAR said:
Good post Greg.
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Indeed, thanks for the info.


CanadianAR said:
Closing the other thread was bad judgement.
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I disagree, 4 pages of primarily 'wink wink... nudge nudge', in what seemed like an inside joke with no one wanting to stick their neck out and say what 'we were all supposed to know' in a forthright manner. CanadianAR's post has more value than that whole thread. For people who dont live and die by K98s or K98 snipers, the other thread was of little value, this one, good info for the broader public, who other wise wont know, act in good faith and make a purchase, and get burned in the process.
Great post about repro scopes.
 
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