Fake Leupold Scopes.

randyhub do you think that these Chinese manufactures also have similar deals with Spyderco, Ontario Knives, Browning Knives, Gerber and so on?

Seems like there are a pile of knife copies as well.

Trijicon, Doctor Optics, Aimpoint, Kershaw, Boker, Strider, Buck and Fallkniven knives.... the more I look on this site the more company's names pop up.
 
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randyhub do you think that these Chinese manufactures also have similar deals with Spyderco, Ontario Knives, Browning Knives, Gerber and so on?

Seems like there are a pile of knife copies as well.

Trijicon, Kershaw, Boker and Fallkniven knives.... the more I look on this site the more company's names pop up.

I think they are into everything... This I think is what is pushing these companies to partner up with China directly, personally I do not think anyone can do anything about this trend. Imagine how bad things would go if Canada and the US imposed trade sanctions against China and goods for Walmart and Canadian Tire halted. This is a much bigger issue than most appreciate, a scope is very small potatoes in the great scheme of things. I would feel differently if scope manufacturers just said no to China to make their goods and stood their ground but they cannot if they want to retain profits, this is a very slippery slope for those that have allowed China to label existing Chinese products with US names....
 
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randyhub do you think that these Chinese manufactures also have similar deals with Spyderco, Ontario Knives, Browning Knives, Gerber and so on?

Seems like there are a pile of knife copies as well.

Trijicon, Doctor Optics, Aimpoint, Kershaw, Boker, Strider, Buck and Fallkniven knives.... the more I look on this site the more company's names pop up.

The thing is, with Chinese stuff, you never know what you're going to get. A few months back, my granddaughter (4) wanted a hunting knife like grandpa's. I often let her use sharp knives under very close supervision, with parent approval, of course. Now, I did not want to spend serious money on a knife that will end up lost very soon, so I ordered one from Fleabay. It was around $6, shipping in. There was no brand listed with it. I got a knife with the Buck logo on it. It was in a very serviceable sheath, ballistic nylon, and it is razor sharp. She wanted me to use it when I was skinning my boar, so after I was done, I touched it up. Took an edge like you wouldn't believe, and did so easily. Thing is, you could order the same knife, from the same site, and get garbage. And no, I don't pretend it's "as good as a Puma", but it was a fantastic buy for that price.
 
I think they are into everything... This I think is what is pushing these companies to partner up with China directly, personally I do not think anyone can do anything about this trend. Imagine how bad things would go if Canada and the US imposed trade sanctions against China and goods for Walmart and Canadian Tire halted. This is a much bigger issue than most appreciate, a scope is very small potatoes in the great scheme of things. I would feel differently if scope manufacturers just said no to China to make their goods and stood their ground but they cannot if they want to retain profits, this is a very slippery slope for those that have allowed China to label existing Chinese products with US names....

The trade thing is small potatoes. The real fear governments have is that the Chinese will get ticked off and start calling in their trillions of dollars of our debt that they hold. That would destroy our countries. They've been able to do what the Russians were never able to with weapons, and they didn't have to fire a shot.
 
The trade thing is small potatoes. The real fear governments have is that the Chinese will get ticked off and start calling in their trillions of dollars of our debt that they hold. That would destroy our countries. They've been able to do what the Russians were never able to with weapons, and they didn't have to fire a shot.

The Chinese need our consumers or they're finished. Their own citizens are for the most part dirt poor and can't afford what they produce. The ones that are wealthy leave the country, like in Russia.

The Chinese have always been "skilled" at reproducing or stealing someone else's design. Innovation isn't a well known word in Chinese manufacturing.
 
All I am saying is there are Copyrighted names on both sides of the Ocean and that in fact Leupold is already using China as well for their product family but they did not opt to buy their name as BSA did.

Names cannot be "copyrighted." What are you talking about. All these words you use have no meaning to you or you don't care what they actually mean?

How is manufacturing location of goods created, trademarked and sold by a proper company has anything to do with counterfeit fake knock-offs made by completely other people with a fraudulent intent to begin with?
 
Names cannot be "copyrighted." What are you talking about. All these words you use have no meaning to you or you don't care what they actually mean?

How is manufacturing location of goods created, trademarked and sold by a proper company has anything to do with counterfeit fake knock-offs made by completely other people with a fraudulent intent to begin with?

Okay I will play the granular game.

A legally registered name in China (not Copyrighted my poor choice of words) that is shared in name by a US company that is registered in the US as well. The same US company presently has China nationals making rangefinders, binos, and spotting scopes under the same name that is presently registered both in China and US to be exported worldwide for resale by the US company.

Is it right?

Is it a fact that this is a slippery slope where the name is not being pursued by the US company in China, yes. Funny thing is the Chinese are allowing the US company to have it's goods made in China while the name is registered to a Chinese company??

I don't get it at all, all I know is what is stated and happening now. So I guess the Chinese could view it the same technically? I don't care, have no sides, I am just a Canadian with a 80.00 scope on his kid's .22 and my bolt action that Canadian Customs processed for Canada Post for home delivery. :)
 
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Senator Smith. Can I ask you a question?
Mr. York. Yes, sir.
Senator Smith. You don't sell anything into China, though?
Mr. York. We do not. We source products in China. We do not
currently sell----
Senator Smith. It's prohibited, right?
Mr. York. It is prohibited. There is one potential sale
that we are exploring right now with the police department, I
believe, in Hong Kong.
Senator Smith. Thank you.
Mr. York. So, their law enforcement people know us fairly
well.
Senator Smith. But you have never seen any upside to the
China market?
Mr. York. There is not a lot of hunting in China.
Senator Smith. Got it.
Mr. York. BSA paid $25,000 to reclaim their mark from
another company in China, Asia Optical, who had registered
their mark, and we also learned from our council in China that
recently, SAM Optics sold one of these marks that had
registered for between $50,000 and $80,000. It is our
perspective that this is a fraudulent intent, a case of
fraudulent intent, to register the trademarks of other well-
known international brands for the sole purpose of attempting
to extort money from the rightful owners of these trademarks.
We have been fighting a legal battle for close to 5 years now.
We filed our own applications in both classes 9 and 13 in the
People's Republic of China. We have cited the Trademark Law,
the Paris Convention. We provided much evidence in the People's
Republic of China to support our claim that Leupold is a well-
known brand and is rightfully ours. The trademark office there
refused our application. They rejected our opposition to SAM
Optics in class 13. We have appealed that rejection, but it
could take several more years to ultimately get a decision.

Does that answer your questions?
 
Sure.

But seriously I get what you are saying just still don't think a company should should have it both ways...

If it concerns them they should cancel their contracts for Chinese manufacturing and stand on principal as opposed to profits from reselling.

We just need this thread to carry on and stop posting opinions and wait for the facts in regards to those who have them in hand.
 
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If it concerns them they should cancel their contracts for Chinese manufacturing and stand on principal as opposed to profits from reselling.

Ok, let me get this straight. You bought a scope for under $100 and defend your choice with such a passion. You also state that you find $500 and up Leopolds overpriced and unfair price. So you bought cheap. But at the same time you trying to make a case that "because Leopold manufacture in China there is no point to honor a trademark". Am I getting your drift right? Leopold is guilty of producing in China, so it is ok to buy fake Leopold, because it is still made in China.

Did it ever occurred to you, that because consumer base like yourself who will buy from the devil himself if anything is half price, Leopold for one could not possibly meet a price point which would make you happy and had to move production to cheaper location?

Did it ever occurred to you, that "profits from reselling" as you called it, had to cover R&D, manufacturing, logistics, design optimization, warranty services, marketing, sales personnel, taxes on all that. If Leopold did not employ all these people for all these years this product would not exist at all. A fraud China company which you support with your money did nothing of the above, but took a product they didn't own or invest in, made a ####ty copy of it, marked it with Leopold name just to gain more traction and fool people and now sells it from beyond the reach of the international law, paying no taxes, sending it through border as "gifts" and selling on ebay as private sellers.

Does it bother you at all? Apparently it does not, but Leopold has no right to claim its own product because they try produce it cheaper so people like you don't have to buy $3000+ scopes?
 
I will post after my testing, thankfully I have one to play with as this is really what this post is about not the other clutter.
 
Ok, let me get this straight. You bought a scope for under $100 and defend your choice with such a passion. You also state that you find $500 and up Leopolds overpriced and unfair price. So you bought cheap. But at the same time you trying to make a case that "because Leopold manufacture in China there is no point to honor a trademark". Am I getting your drift right? Leopold is guilty of producing in China, so it is ok to buy fake Leopold, because it is still made in China.

Did it ever occurred to you, that because consumer base like yourself who will buy from the devil himself if anything is half price, Leopold for one could not possibly meet a price point which would make you happy and had to move production to cheaper location?

Did it ever occurred to you, that "profits from reselling" as you called it, had to cover R&D, manufacturing, logistics, design optimization, warranty services, marketing, sales personnel, taxes on all that. If Leopold did not employ all these people for all these years this product would not exist at all. A fraud China company which you support with your money did nothing of the above, but took a product they didn't own or invest in, made a ####ty copy of it, marked it with Leopold name just to gain more traction and fool people and now sells it from beyond the reach of the international law, paying no taxes, sending it through border as "gifts" and selling on ebay as private sellers.

Does it bother you at all? Apparently it does not, but Leopold has no right to claim its own product because they try produce it cheaper so people like you don't have to buy $3000+ scopes?

are you the president of leupold or something? he didn't buy a $3000+ scope for $80, he bought an $80 scope for $80 to put on his sons rimfire rifle, I am fairly confident he doesn't believe he got a $3000+ scope and didn't want a $3000+ scope.
the thread is not called "what are your moral opinions of fake leupold scopes" its simply asking for some test feedback on how they work
 
As I said, I don't have any fakes, but I do have some cheapies. I will try to remember to post some targets when I go out next time (if I'm shooting half-decent:redface:).
 
are you the president of leupold or something? he didn't buy a $3000+ scope for $80, he bought an $80 scope for $80 to put on his sons rimfire rifle, I am fairly confident he doesn't believe he got a $3000+ scope and didn't want a $3000+ scope.
the thread is not called "what are your moral opinions of fake leupold scopes" its simply asking for some test feedback on how they work

Yeah...mmmkay..... Until this Chinese company sells thousands of them for $80. Then they make a better version for say $180. Then they sell thousands. And then we start seeing threads on here about people getting burned on "fake Leupold scopes" and everyone is wondering how someone could have been taken like that. They are going to get better with more money.
Supporting these companies goes beyond the "my money I can buy what I want". Short sighted.
I cant believe this thing is even still here (and nothing against the OP personally or anyone else here. Some people are far removed from the ramifications these types items inflict on us all in the end)
 
been at the range since 830 this morning ladies and gents. Hoping to post some results later tonight. Having a ton a fun. As jerry miculek would say "it's a nice day to go shooting."
 
I will do some tracking tests at 100 yards this weekend if worlds align with the family.

My buddy is ex Canadian Forces used 7.62 Parker Hales, he has 2 of these scopes will get his .02 cents as well.
 
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Over 100 rounds of various 223 ammo amd something came loose. Yup that's right. Anyone care to venture a guess? The answer later tonight once i get home and compiled the pics.

Send it back, the warranty technician will figure it out. :)

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