And this is an abuse of the game regs IMO. The INTENT of the possession regs was not to allow greedy pigs to shoot a limit every day and "gift" it to the needy. Our wildlife could not sustain that if it was standard practice. He and others found a loophole and have exploited it for their own personal gain. He's still a royal douche.
'Fallin Skies' duck hunter charged with waterfowl violations
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And this is an abuse of the game regs IMO. The INTENT of the possession regs was not to allow greedy pigs to shoot a limit every day and "gift" it to the needy. Our wildlife could not sustain that if it was standard practice. He and others found a loophole and have exploited it for their own personal gain. He's still a royal douche.
Last time I checked, your opinion meant SFA in a court...Is it a loophole? Perhaps, but not illegal. Unethical? Absolutely...but abuse of game regs? Nope.
You are right, but I know for a fact it was the gifting loophole that led to the 6 day NR licenses in AB. Multi-limits of ducks being gifted to the "orphanages" (AKA ditches) of Alberta led to a change in regs. Thank the likes of Foiles for that.
That's standard operating procedure for the majority of outfitters, shopping birds to shelters/old folks homes/indian reserves. Ever since the Hutterites started charging outfitters $6/bird to make them (ducks/geese) go away they found new homes for the birds as many operators have to "dispose" of +1000 birds every season.
As for Foiles, I hope he spends some time in a Federal prison and gets the original "straight meat". Not because he's a poacher as it's very unlikely he's the only greasy outfitter but because he face paints his dogs and that's plain WRONG.
That's standard operating procedure for the majority of outfitters, shopping birds to shelters/old folks homes/indian reserves. Ever since the Hutterites started charging outfitters $6/bird to make them (ducks/geese) go away they found new homes for the birds as many operators have to "dispose" of +1000 birds every season.
As for Foiles, I hope he spends some time in a Federal prison and gets the original "straight meat". Not because he's a poacher as it's very unlikely he's the only greasy outfitter but because he face paints his dogs and that's plain WRONG.
Also I don't get the "I'm badder'n s**t becawse I kill ducks n' geese" stuff that so many people on these forums ascribe to. You're killing something that couldn't beat you to death if you were tied down and they were given a 12 hour freebee on your butt. You're killing one of the meekest animals on the planet that poses as much danger to you as a sponge.
Smile in your pics. Otherwise you look like a douche.
Foiles and his ilk have done nothing to support our sport. They commercialized it and put a premium on body counts and bands.
I'm glad to see him go down and hope that the Feds have open operations on the rest of the 'tards.
PS: out here it's 8$ a bird. everything is more expensive in AB --except gas.
The US judicial system really enjoys taking down celebrities and this guy is facing some serious charges.
IMO, he is gonna go down - and hard.
What is really sad is that there must have been dozens of people complicit in allowing this to transpire and continue for years.
ETA: And face paint on the dog? Really?
IMO, he is gonna go down - and hard.
What is really sad is that there must have been dozens of people complicit in allowing this to transpire and continue for years.
ETA: And face paint on the dog? Really?
The issue for me on top of the laws and or regs this man may have broken is the issue of game that is taken and not kept by the clients. We've heard about thousands of waterfowl and hundreds of big game animals being left behind by clients who only hunt for horns for the wall or the thrill of killing many many birds.
To each his own I guess but outfitters are faced with this problem and we all know that a good proportion of this game is laid to waste. For the outfitters that make the effort to see that game is not wasted that is a good thing. However, we need to ask ourselves as a hunting community where the line is. For me hunt what you want and in a fair way but as a hunter it is you who must shoulder the responsibility of seeing that the animal is not wasted. This case brings out the negative aspect of the marketing of hunting but it also puts the light on all of us on how we respect the game we hunt.
If I purchased a guided hunt I would stay within the limits of the regs, and not use loopholes to continue blasting. If you like shooting clay pigeons fit the bill. The enjoyment comes from hunting and not killing over and over and over.
I don't know the solution but one thing is for sure when these things get out of hand governments have and most certainly will impose regulations that effect all of us even though most of us were not the problem.
May this person get a fair trial with proper justice served.
BTW: Pic with the face painted hunter and the dog with the bad ass glasses> Thats the cover from the text book of Douche bag 101 Oh and the neon green call makes a lovely accent piece.
To each his own I guess but outfitters are faced with this problem and we all know that a good proportion of this game is laid to waste. For the outfitters that make the effort to see that game is not wasted that is a good thing. However, we need to ask ourselves as a hunting community where the line is. For me hunt what you want and in a fair way but as a hunter it is you who must shoulder the responsibility of seeing that the animal is not wasted. This case brings out the negative aspect of the marketing of hunting but it also puts the light on all of us on how we respect the game we hunt.
If I purchased a guided hunt I would stay within the limits of the regs, and not use loopholes to continue blasting. If you like shooting clay pigeons fit the bill. The enjoyment comes from hunting and not killing over and over and over.
I don't know the solution but one thing is for sure when these things get out of hand governments have and most certainly will impose regulations that effect all of us even though most of us were not the problem.
May this person get a fair trial with proper justice served.
BTW: Pic with the face painted hunter and the dog with the bad ass glasses> Thats the cover from the text book of Douche bag 101 Oh and the neon green call makes a lovely accent piece.
M12shooter
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"Gifting" waterfowl is a polite way of saying they were bushed. Just go on a few American forums related to waterfowl hunting in Canada. Lot's of comments like "we give em to the locals...they love to eat duck every day...". Here in Manitoba greedy yanks with the aid of outfitters kill limits every day and many never take any home. Great bear bait in the spring!
Moose Masher
CGN Regular
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- Oak Hammok Manitoba
Come check out The Hammok in the fall.
Ditches are full of "gifted" geese.
Ditches are full of "gifted" geese.
On one of those forums that I moderate we literally had a guy come on, brag about shooting 600 ducks near Edmonton and gifting them all to the local "orphanages". There hasn't been an orphanage in Alberta for 30 years. Where'd he think he was Ecuador?
Seems ironic then that the prairie provinces changed the possession regulations this year to accommodate the outfitters by increasing the possession limit to 3 days (AB&SK) and daily bag limit to 8 dark geese (MB). The reason was that the majority of outfitters sell 3 day waterfowl hunts and by increasing possession limits to 3 days (or 8 darks in MB) they would only have to "gift" birds on change out days (2 times a week as opposed to 4 times a week) and in the case of MB clients could shoot 24 dark geese opposed to the 15 during a 3 day hunt and keeping high volume shooters from heading to AB&SK.
An evil man, not quite a Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Hitler, but pretty close.
He killed lots of birds and not in a sporting way. The worst part of it is, that he did it in part to support an evil pastime through a show and an outfitter business that encourages even more killing of these increasingly rare and precious resources. Killing anything is bad - except if he gets killed in prison, and I hope that they put the show and all others like it in prision with him.
I wonder if perhaps some of us are just a we bit dramatic and self-righteous? Fine him, maybe even have him spend some time in the Big House, but he's hardly the Great Satan some make him out to be.
He killed lots of birds and not in a sporting way. The worst part of it is, that he did it in part to support an evil pastime through a show and an outfitter business that encourages even more killing of these increasingly rare and precious resources. Killing anything is bad - except if he gets killed in prison, and I hope that they put the show and all others like it in prision with him.
I wonder if perhaps some of us are just a we bit dramatic and self-righteous? Fine him, maybe even have him spend some time in the Big House, but he's hardly the Great Satan some make him out to be.
Well, if he was Bruce Montague they'd seize his house "just in case."
But, being more than just a paper criminal and having done his best to devastate local game populations, he's a better man than someone who owned unregistered guns and put 'fun switches' on a few that were never used in anger. Clearly the commercial sales of these videos, based on illegal activities, don't qualify as 'proceeds of crime.'
So, I figure they'll give this guy a break, while they continue to shaft Bruce and his family.
-M
Please explain to me how hunting is an evil pass time?
