'Fallin Skies' duck hunter charged with waterfowl violations
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M12shooter
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Didn't recall mentioning anything about "Americans" in my post...you did though. With this said one only has to review yearly waterfowl convictions related to migratory game bird hunting in Manitoba. I can assure you almost 100 percent of these convictions will be non residents of Canada...ie: Americans. So there you have it ...I said it!
...and yes, wastage of game by local hunters certainly happens. Infact I would bet that over half of the birds shot in any one season by residents ends up in the garbage...as a lot of local folks simply fill the freezer and chuck the lot out in the spring.
Further to your comment about the present and hopefully soon to be former Provincial Government here in Manitoba being "anti tourism" because of private ventures is a rediculous comment IMO. One would have to look long and hard to find any government at any level that was opposed to people spending money in their province, especially in economically depressed regions. No insult intended or taken Bearkiller.
bearkilr
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Didn't recall mentioning anything about "Americans" in my post...you did though. With this said one only has to review yearly waterfowl convictions related to migratory game bird hunting in Manitoba. I can assure you almost 100 percent of these convictions will be non residents of Canada...ie: Americans. So there you have it ...I said it!
...and yes, wastage of game by local hunters certainly happens. Infact I would bet that over half of the birds shot in any one season by residents ends up in the garbage...as a lot of local folks simply fill the freezer and chuck the lot out in the spring.
Further to your comment about the present and hopefully soon to be former Provincial Government here in Manitoba being "anti tourism" because of private ventures is a rediculous comment IMO. One would have to look long and hard to find any government at any level that was opposed to people spending money in their province, especially in economically depressed regions. No insult intended or taken Bearkiller.
How often do you see any type of major construction in Manitoba that's privately funded?
MTS Centre......Hydro building.......upcoming new stadium......the list goes on. Oh right, there's the Ikea store, however many meetings and feasibility studies it took them to "allow" them to come to Winnipeg.
In regard to tourism, I'm speaking from experience here, not emotion. I actually receive a list of suspended hunters from Manitoba Conservation every year and can assure you they are not 100% non resident.
How often do you see any type of major construction in Manitoba that's privately funded?
MTS Centre......Hydro building.......upcoming new stadium......the list goes on. Oh right, there's the Ikea store, however many meetings and feasibility studies it took them to "allow" them to come to Winnipeg.
In regard to tourism, I'm speaking from experience here, not emotion. I actually receive a list of suspended hunters from Manitoba Conservation every year and can assure you they are not 100% non resident.
OK, so what is the percentage of non-resident vs resident?
M12shooter
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How often do you see any type of major construction in Manitoba that's privately funded?
MTS Centre......Hydro building.......upcoming new stadium......the list goes on. Oh right, there's the Ikea store, however many meetings and feasibility studies it took them to "allow" them to come to Winnipeg.
In regard to tourism, I'm speaking from experience here, not emotion. I actually receive a list of suspended hunters from Manitoba Conservation every year and can assure you they are not 100% non resident.
www.mnro.com/take down tales....every migratory bird hunter convicted of an offence(s) in the past five years was a non-resident or non-Canadian. One was even a licensed guide in the US...as Foiles is/was.Some of his (Foiles) filmed guided hunts were in Manitoba, thus Manitoba Consevation is looking for tips pertaining to the aforementioned.
We need to stop calling this guy a hunter. He is not! He is a POS POACHER who should be nailed to the wall with everything the legal system can throw at him.
It is cases like this that the left-wing media focus on and, as a result, ethical hunters are tarred with the same brush as this asshat.
I hope he does hard time and meets a new 'friend' in jail named Big Leroy who makes him his #####boy. That is one threat that will make other poaching s**theels think twice before emulating this bastard.
It is cases like this that the left-wing media focus on and, as a result, ethical hunters are tarred with the same brush as this asshat.
I hope he does hard time and meets a new 'friend' in jail named Big Leroy who makes him his #####boy. That is one threat that will make other poaching s**theels think twice before emulating this bastard.
bearkilr
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www.mnro.com/take down tales....every migratory bird hunter convicted of an offence(s) in the past five years was a non-resident or non-Canadian. One was even a licensed guide in the US...as Foiles is/was.Some of his (Foiles) filmed guided hunts were in Manitoba, thus Manitoba Consevation is looking for tips pertaining to the aforementioned.
I really don't want to get into a pi$$ing match here, but that website is sort of like the "infractions" section of the Canadian Sportsman magazine, the majority of offences/convictions are not listed and some of the ones don't list where the person is from, so I'm not sure why you would immediately assume they're non resident.
To quote from that website:
These are only a few of the many cases investigated by Natural Resource Officers across Manitoba every day. To report violations, call 1 (800) 782-0076 or your local Manitoba Natural Resources office.
What I have is a list of people who are currently suspended from hunting game birds,migratory game birds and big game in Manitoba.
Many of the people listed have not necessarily been charged in Manitoba, but the Migratory Game Bird Act bans them from hunting Migratory Birds anywhere in Canada, perhaps even the US, I'm not sure on that, as this is a federal law.
You are correct in that most hunters suspended from hunting Migratory Birds are non resident, about 75%. This is largely due to the above reason.
Looking under Game Bird and Big Game suspensions, 95% are resident hunters.
If you as a Manitoban get charged in AB or SK for a big game or game bird violation, there is no reciprocal agreement between the provinces, so you're only prohibited from hunting in the province where the offence/conviction occured.
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These sorts of comments are BS.
You guys're suggesting we should sideways at any persons involved in the outfitting business, when it's a tiny per centage!
Fact is, there's unethical people in all walks of life. Don't take this case to throw everybody under the bus!
I'll bet he'll keep his mouth shut to avoid contradicting the thousands of hours of video evidence they have lined up against him.
Well I for one would like to question M12 shooters sources. Having family that run an outfitting operation as well as other portions of the family that work in the upper ranks of conservation, your comments ring hollow and untrue. The outfitter is the MOST ethical hunter I have ever been around and the guests that come to his business have never - ever - asked to go over limit (I have guided for him for 9 years).
It's much like getting a vehicle safety done...you can find a shady under the table guy or you look for reputation and go to the ones that hold clean track records. Be assured that reputable outfitters want the illegals, amorals, a**holes out of business just as much if not more than the rest of hunting society.
As for Conservation turning a blind eye, that would be a negative. I see it as plugging the dyke in any way you can. There are always more infractions than enforcement officers and I do not believe for a second that the people of Conservation would ever turn a blind eye.
As for Foiles...I have a number of his calls and they are great. I won't discontinue using them as they are a great product but obviously his ethics and illegal tendencies will preclude future purchases.
It's much like getting a vehicle safety done...you can find a shady under the table guy or you look for reputation and go to the ones that hold clean track records. Be assured that reputable outfitters want the illegals, amorals, a**holes out of business just as much if not more than the rest of hunting society.
As for Conservation turning a blind eye, that would be a negative. I see it as plugging the dyke in any way you can. There are always more infractions than enforcement officers and I do not believe for a second that the people of Conservation would ever turn a blind eye.
As for Foiles...I have a number of his calls and they are great. I won't discontinue using them as they are a great product but obviously his ethics and illegal tendencies will preclude future purchases.
I have to agree with their comments.
I think the moment you mix money with hunting it is bad.
It isn't restricted to outfitters, but any time that wildlife is viewed as a commercial commodity to be exploited you run into trouble...
While they do provide oportunities for persons who wouldn't otherwise be able to take advantage of the hunting here, they can cause problems. For example, there are guides/outfitters that pay landowners per stand on their property and promote restricted hunting (their clients) on that property. This is not speculation, but rather fact, and it hurts resident hunters.
I agree.
The landowners wouldn't do this if there wasn't a return to them - and it is largely driven by the desire to harvest trophy game.
I feel if we buy the hunting video, the calls or the other branded stuff we are buying into the whole idea and promoting it too...
This type of stuff is why I don't subscribe to wild tv, I don't buy hunting videos and I steer clear of any crap that is marketed with an "outdoor celebrity endorsement".
I choose to buy equipment that is proven by guys that I trust and enjoy listening to - fellow hunters that don't make anything off the proceeds.
I agree to a degree. So and so on an ad doesn't make me want to buy it anymore than without the dude. BUT almost all good quality call are branded under the maker, so you'll have to buy one or stick with cheaper calls.
bearkilr
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The key words in your statement are in bold. Your thoughts are typical Canadian socialist thinking. If it's my land, I can do what I damn well please with it. Those who don't like it can buy their own land.
Agreed. It's their land they can let whoever they want on it.
